Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Fiamme (red) timeline - a start, please join

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Fiamme (red) timeline - a start, please join

Old 10-19-18, 11:47 AM
  #51  
repechage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 17,803
Mentioned: 118 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2538 Post(s)
Liked 1,474 Times in 1,109 Posts
Originally Posted by deux jambes View Post

I acquired these rims in a trade, and am thinking of lacing them up to a set of high flange Record hubs.
Those images suggest that at least one rim is not a great one to use on a "rider" bike.
Deformation at a spoke eyelet, and another that looks like a crack is starting.
repechage is offline  
Old 10-19-18, 12:45 PM
  #52  
deux jambes 
Senior Member
 
deux jambes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 1,340
Mentioned: 64 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 535 Post(s)
Liked 341 Times in 194 Posts
Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Those images suggest that at least one rim is not a great one to use on a "rider" bike.
Deformation at a spoke eyelet, and another that looks like a crack is starting.
I noticed the eyelet, and was hoping that if it was possible it might be addressed somehow. I hadn’t noticed the appearance of a crack forming however. I see it now in the photo but will have to inspect it closer once I get home.

I picked them out of a dingy, and dimly lit garage last night. Thought I had inspected them closely enough but unfortunately that means might not be the case.
deux jambes is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 05:31 AM
  #53  
1987
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 860

Bikes: Cinelli SC 1971, Daccordi 1985

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by juvela View Post
Unknown rim transfer -
This image was posted on another forum.
One participant identified it as FIAMME. Have me doubts.
The only two devices I have ever seen on vintage S.A. FIAMME rim transfers are the knight's helm and the Pegasus.
This eagle's head with crown looks familiar but am unable to place it. Could it perhaps be part of the crest for an Italian city or province?
That is not a Fiamme rim decal. It's a quite rare decal. I have seen it before, but can't remember the brand. It could be an old logo version or rim model decal. The bird like creature looks like a griffin, but it could also be as you wrote an eagle. "Cerchio" is Italian for rim.

The decal is not available from Cyclomondo or VeloCals:
https://www.cyclomondo.net/rim-decals-various
https://velocals.com/tubing-component-rim-decals/
1987 is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 07:42 AM
  #54  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 12,030
Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2928 Post(s)
Liked 1,552 Times in 1,125 Posts
Originally Posted by 1987 View Post
That is not a Fiamme rim decal. It's a quite rare decal. I have seen it before, but can't remember the brand. It could be an old logo version or rim model decal. The bird like creature looks like a griffin, but it could also be as you wrote an eagle. "Cerchio" is Italian for rim.

The decal is not available from Cyclomondo or VeloCals:
https://www.cyclomondo.net/rim-decals-various
https://velocals.com/tubing-component-rim-decals/
-----

thank you for the response 1987

following me last post was able to sort it

Clement

both metal and wood rims were offered by this maker





-----
juvela is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 01:41 PM
  #55  
1987
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 860

Bikes: Cinelli SC 1971, Daccordi 1985

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by juvela View Post
-----

thank you for the response 1987

following me last post was able to sort it

Clement

both metal and wood rims were offered by this maker




-----
Thanks for reminding me. Yes, Clement also made rims. Strange that new decals are not available.

I found the image source:
VeloBase.com - Component: Clement Albione

Some other search hits:
Legnano Campione del Mondo 30's - BikesRetro
https://restoringvintagebicycles.com...xte-oscar-egg/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/speedp...ls/7468618608/

And I think I've found where this was first discussed
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/he...ogo-24.124219/
1987 is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 01:50 PM
  #56  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 12,030
Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2928 Post(s)
Liked 1,552 Times in 1,125 Posts
-----

have you ever attempted to research the history of FIAMME stems and bars?

this is something have never known much anent

have a FIAMME allen key road stem from the mid-to-late 1960's

they seem to be fairly scarce...

-----
juvela is offline  
Likes For juvela:
Old 10-28-20, 08:13 AM
  #57  
OldsCOOL
Senior Member
 
OldsCOOL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: northern michigan
Posts: 13,277

Bikes: '77 Colnago Super, '76 Fuji The Finest, '88 Cannondale Criterium, '86 Trek 760, '87 Miyata 712

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 652 Post(s)
Liked 540 Times in 293 Posts
Originally Posted by juvela View Post
-----

have you ever attempted to research the history of FIAMME stems and bars?

this is something have never known much anent

have a FIAMME allen key road stem from the mid-to-late 1960's

they seem to be fairly scarce...

-----
I have a Fiamme stem that is probably early ‘70s but not sure what year exactly.

OldsCOOL is offline  
Old 10-28-20, 09:03 AM
  #58  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 12,030
Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2928 Post(s)
Liked 1,552 Times in 1,125 Posts
-----

Thanks for the reply.

Yours looks to be the same model as mine.

My example is 9cm and yours looks to be a 10 or eleven cm.

Just for fun mounted mine on a 1960's era Cinelli I owned. Spot of humour to fit a FIAMME stem on a Cinelli cycle.

FIAMME emplyed 26.0mm size for clamp and bar centre.

-----
juvela is offline  
Likes For juvela:
Old 10-31-20, 03:43 PM
  #59  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 12,030
Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2928 Post(s)
Liked 1,552 Times in 1,125 Posts
-----

mo' peechas

had these on me HD & fergawt to glue 'em in oylieuh...





Mark, the creator of the condorino.com site gives us some FIAMME history in this fine post -

https://condorino.com/2017/12/30/s-a-fiamme-of-milano/

-----
juvela is offline  
Old 04-07-21, 12:33 PM
  #60  
peashooter
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Cincinnati area
Posts: 25

Bikes: Roold

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 6 Posts
Maybe Jantes Element?
peashooter is offline  
Old 04-07-21, 04:37 PM
  #61  
obrentharris 
Senior Member
 
obrentharris's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Point Reyes Station, California
Posts: 3,938

Bikes: Indeed!

Mentioned: 81 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1173 Post(s)
Liked 2,075 Times in 703 Posts
Jantes Clement
Brent
obrentharris is online now  
Old 08-15-21, 04:04 AM
  #62  
Olang
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
Posts: 6

Bikes: Guerciotti SL -76, Wilier Ramata SL -83, Turconi by Losa -84, Colnago Esa Mexico, De Rosa Primato -93/94, Vitus early 80s etc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts
New to the forum but have a couple of wheelsets with Fiamme #3 rims fitted, as well as a number of #6 and 7 rims loose. Once I'm allowed to post pictures, I will share at least the #3 here. They are my favorite rims, at least aesthetically.
Olang is offline  
Old 08-18-21, 05:04 AM
  #63  
CAK 
Junior Member
 
CAK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Princeton NJ
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Ridotti red label


CAK is offline  
Likes For CAK:
Old 08-28-21, 01:19 AM
  #64  
Citoyen du Monde
Senior Member
 
Citoyen du Monde's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,975
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 22 Times in 13 Posts
Originally Posted by CAK View Post

I take it that these rims are from Kopps in Princeton.They used to have at least two Cinelli bikes with "ridotti" sized rims. About 15 year ago I had done a census of bikes with ridotto rims in North America and found quite a few. Most being Cinelli but there were also a few Pogliaghi, at least one Masi...I can no longer find the list and it has likely been lost to eternity on some long ago discarded computer.

Last edited by Citoyen du Monde; 08-28-21 at 03:48 AM.
Citoyen du Monde is offline  
Old 08-28-21, 04:06 PM
  #65  
Road Fan
Senior Member
 
Road Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 16,212

Bikes: 1980 Masi, 1984 Mondonico, 1984 Trek 610, 1980 Woodrup Giro, 2005 Mondonico Futura Leggera ELOS, 1967 PX10E, 1971 Peugeot UO-8

Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1577 Post(s)
Liked 466 Times in 356 Posts
What is the difference between the "standard" rim and the "ridotto" rim?
Road Fan is offline  
Old 08-28-21, 04:49 PM
  #66  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 11,393
Mentioned: 177 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2534 Post(s)
Liked 2,295 Times in 955 Posts
Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
What is the difference between the "standard" rim and the "ridotto" rim?
Standard 700C - 622mm bsd
Ridotto - 604mm bsd
iab is offline  
Old 09-28-21, 06:34 AM
  #67  
sbarner
Paramount Fan
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Vermont
Posts: 42

Bikes: Paramounts, Raleigh Pros, Colnago, DeRosa, Gios, Masis, Pinarello, R. Sachs, Look, D. Moulton, Witcomb, Motobecane, Bianchis, Fat City, Frejus, Follis, Waterford, Litespeed, d'Autremont, others, mostly '70s-'80s

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 20 Times in 8 Posts
...and for $40k you can have one for your very own

You can help Kopp's set a new record for the price of a Cinelli SC and get a bike with Ridotti rims for which you'll have to have Dugast make you custom tires in the bargain. Perhaps for an extra half-a-G they'll throw in that spare set of NOS Fiamme Red Ridotti rims.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32475757553...8AAOSwJlJhHP1B

If they knock $38k off the price, I'd be interested, as the bike looks like it would fit standard tubies with a brake swap. I'd even drive down to Joizey to pick it up.

--SB
sbarner is offline  
Old 01-12-22, 06:56 PM
  #68  
Condorino
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 56
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Very Early Fiamme Rim?

A fellow enthusiast in the Netherlands passed along this photo of what I suspect is a very early Fiamme rim with both a decal and engraving that I have not seen before. The engraving to the right of the rim decal is familiar however the engraving to the left of the decal is not. The floor is open if anyone has any history to share.

Noting: Breveté SGDG was a French type of patent that ceased to exist in 1968. The name was a common abbreviation for "Breveté Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement“. (Wikipedia).

What is published of Fiamme’s history takes shape in the early 1930’s when Mario Longhi patented the double eyelet, hollow aluminium rim on January 5th, 1934 just two hours prior to a similar patent being filed by Mavic of France (source: Hilary Stone; Mavic). Longhi licensed the patent to Fiamme until its expiration and also to Mavic until 1947 according to the Mavic website. This may account for the engraving that includes the aforementioned French patent engraving (?).

best regards for now and a happy 2022 to all,
Mark Campbell
www.condorino.com



Last edited by Condorino; 01-12-22 at 07:09 PM.
Condorino is offline  
Likes For Condorino:
Old 08-12-22, 01:53 PM
  #69  
Robvolz 
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Posts: 157
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 106 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 32 Posts
A deep dive into the history of Fiamme and seems they beat MAVIC for their patent on tubular rims by 1 hour!!

Fiamme rims sold in France had French on them as a subtle reminder.
Robvolz is online now  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Kommisar89
Classic & Vintage
8
02-20-15 03:17 AM
timber_cruiser
Classic & Vintage
2
04-26-14 11:16 AM
Paul J
Tandem Cycling
4
03-29-13 05:03 AM
gaucho777
Classic & Vintage
18
11-10-12 10:47 AM
timber_cruiser
Classic & Vintage
0
12-30-11 03:35 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.