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Where to start with restoration? Is it worth it?

Old 11-25-11, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
I wouldn't consider that a MTB at all. Just the bars are similar to MTB riser bars.

I just happened to find some riser bars that have roadie grip diameter if that's what you need. Nitto B259. Might try a google.co.uk shopping search for them if that is indeed what you need. Pretty generous 12° sweep. They still have the 25.4mm clamp diameter, however.

https://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CHgQ8wIwAw


Oh, as for the rims, I'm guessing this is an early-mid 80s rig and likely had matte finish aluminum rims. Those rims look kinda like Mavic 192s to me. Not sure if they are those and not sure if they're original, however. Nahh, they're probably wider than 192s.
Thanks for the reply, Found some identical bars on the net after a day and a half of searching, now its deciding weather I want them or drop bars? I don't know weather my grandad bought it new, and unfortunately I cannot ask him and I don't remember him ever riding the bike, so I don't know whats standard or not (it wouldn't be like him to buy something new) So if anyone can inform me what bars would've originally come on this or any raleigh 531 so i can go about getting it as original as possible. Also, with drop bars, is it a bad idea to buy used? Just going out to get some better pictures.
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Raleigh had quite a few different frames made from the Reynolds 531 tube set over the years.

I'm kinda thinking your bars are original. Here's an auction for one on Canadian eBay, but from British seller, with what look like the same bars as yours.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Raleigh-Richm...-/350481022492

From those pics they're like a North Roads variation with much less sweep than a typical North Roads bar.

If you like to ride on hoods, I'd get new brake levers to go with your drops, if you decide to go with the drops. The stock levers would likely be uncomfortable on the hoods and the reach to the levers might be a bit long from the drops.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
Raleigh had quite a few different frames made from the Reynolds 531 tube set over the years.

I'm kinda thinking your bars are original. Here's an auction for one on Canadian eBay, but from British seller, with what look like the same bars as yours.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Raleigh-Richm...-/350481022492

From those pics they're like a North Roads variation with much less sweep than a typical North Roads bar.

If you like to ride on hoods, I'd get new brake levers to go with your drops, if you decide to go with the drops. The stock levers would likely be uncomfortable on the hoods and the reach to the levers might be a bit long from the drops.
Ok thanks for the information! at the moment then, I've found the exact same bars I've got with levers for 25 quid... so i think I'm going to buy them just so if I want to I can keep it as it was for sentimental value, but might give drop bars a go. Any brands to look for and stay away from?
Also, Sorry for all the questions... I like to get things clear first, is it easy to change the gearing? I've only got 6 at the moment, although it is fairly high? geared (fairly quick) but would like it a bit quicker, just change the cassette? or add another chain ring?
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Right, heres the new pictures I said I'd do, sorry for the amount there is!









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That bike is begging for a nice brooks saddle. Otherwise, just clean, lube and shine and ride on!
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Originally Posted by Italuminium View Post
That bike is begging for a nice brooks saddle. Otherwise, just clean, lube and shine and ride on!
I'll have a look! thanks for the reccomendation, I've been looking for a new saddle... oh and some handlebars haha

Edit. Good grief haha! you seen the price of them?!

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Originally Posted by Laurence_13 View Post
Edit. Good grief haha! you seen the price of them?!
Haha! Yes they are expensive but they're worth it because unlike most saddles they get more comfortable with age and will last a lifetime if taken care of... that's an old-world quality that is rarely seen in this disposable age.

As has been stated previously by others I would just clean the bike, lube it and ride it. IMHO rust and corrosion should be spot treated to halt it's progress but it's best to keep as much of the original paint and decals intact as possible to retain the character of the machine.

Enjoy your (grandfather's) bike. You're lucky to have such a fine bike with sentimental value.
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Originally Posted by BassNotBass View Post
Haha! Yes they are expensive but they're worth it because unlike most saddles they get more comfortable with age and will last a lifetime if taken care of... that's an old-world quality that is rarely seen in this disposable age.

As has been stated previously by others I would just clean the bike, lube it and ride it. IMHO rust and corrosion should be spot treated to halt it's progress but it's best to keep as much of the original paint and decals intact as possible to retain the character of the machine.

Enjoy your (grandfather's) bike. You're lucky to have such a fine bike with sentimental value.
I've spent today thinking about it, Decided i'm going to keep an eye out for a bike that has less value to me (luckily theres one less than 5 miles from me on ebay) that already has drop bars and has gone down that route, I'm going to stick the same bars back on, treat the rust, clean it up, and have it as my fair weather rider (sorry to maybe dissapoint some of you) I don't think i'll repaint the rust spots, just take them back to metal, treat them and put a bit of clear laquer on them... I wouldn't be able to ride an immaculate bike I don't think!

Also, the pedals, I can't remember the model number of them, from the pictures (if you can see) is it going to be possible to get some NOS ones? or is it a matter of just re doing the bearings...
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Welcome to the forum, Laurence!

If it's DB Reynolds 531 it can't be bad. And I would have no hesitation riding any of my DB 531 bikes onto or off a kerb at slow speed.

I had a pair of alloy handlebars break on me as I was tooling along once but, just as you describe, they did it slowly enough for me to come to terms with the situation before anything painful happened.

The rims, are they alloy? They look so and if so they'll polish up beautifully with a bit of effort. A brass brush on the eyelets if they are rusted or just encrusted with years of dirt will bring them back. For the rims use some fine wire wool (0000 grade) to get any stains or surface oxidisation off, and a bit of 600 grade emery cloth if there are any nicks or scratches, then the fine wire wool. Then go down to Halfords and get some Autosol metal polish to finish them off. The only thing to be careful about is keeping the polishing movement uniform, all longways or all from side to side or all in little circles. Sounds easy but you'll find it isn't when you get right up tight against the spoke holes.

If they are steel, I have no idea how to clean them.

I would get some fine polishing compound for the frame and get all the surface crud off, then polish it with a good quality wax. You'll be amazed.

All it takes is effort and time.

As Oldpeddaller says, you should check all the bearings. I would clean them all with Jizer (from Halfords again), replace any balls which have lost their shine and regrease them all. The bike will last forever if you look after it. Anything you get stuck on, there are many experienced people here who will know what to do. And just to keep everyone happy, keep posting photos :-)

I'm from just down the road from you, near Tiverton, which you've probably heard of.
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Welcome to C & V Laurence. Good to find another vintage bike fan in the UK.

Your bike looks pretty tidy so its just a question of how much you want to do and spend. It looks like you've already taken lots of photo's which is one of the best things you can do to start with. Also, its a nice record to look back on when you've finished restoring. If you're a perfectionist like myself ( almost a curse!) I'd completely strip it down to its ball bearings. Clean and polish everything, then rebuild with good quality grease and get everything adjusted right.

The frame doesn't need a repaint, and its something you should always avoid doing if possible. If you do decide to strip it right down, you can sit watching TV with the frame in your lap, some rags and a tub of T.Cut. Those old enamel frames come up like new. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Dawes-man View Post
Welcome to the forum, Laurence!

If it's DB Reynolds 531 it can't be bad. And I would have no hesitation riding any of my DB 531 bikes onto or off a kerb at slow speed.

I had a pair of alloy handlebars break on me as I was tooling along once but, just as you describe, they did it slowly enough for me to come to terms with the situation before anything painful happened.

The rims, are they alloy? They look so and if so they'll polish up beautifully with a bit of effort. A brass brush on the eyelets if they are rusted or just encrusted with years of dirt will bring them back. For the rims use some fine wire wool (0000 grade) to get any stains or surface oxidisation off, and a bit of 600 grade emery cloth if there are any nicks or scratches, then the fine wire wool. Then go down to Halfords and get some Autosol metal polish to finish them off. The only thing to be careful about is keeping the polishing movement uniform, all longways or all from side to side or all in little circles. Sounds easy but you'll find it isn't when you get right up tight against the spoke holes.

If they are steel, I have no idea how to clean them.

I would get some fine polishing compound for the frame and get all the surface crud off, then polish it with a good quality wax. You'll be amazed.

All it takes is effort and time.

As Oldpeddaller says, you should check all the bearings. I would clean them all with Jizer (from Halfords again), replace any balls which have lost their shine and regrease them all. The bike will last forever if you look after it. Anything you get stuck on, there are many experienced people here who will know what to do. And just to keep everyone happy, keep posting photos :-)

I'm from just down the road from you, near Tiverton, which you've probably heard of.
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Thanks, that's exactly what happened! the right hand dropped slightly and i thought i was imagining things, so I pulled it back up, and it came clean off! Thanks for the advice, luckily dads into classic motorbikes, and i work in a bike shop, so most of the cleaning products and wire wool and stuff I already have close to hand, Yep I've heard of tiverton and been there quite a few times riding, get off the train at sway then just go out in the woods

Originally Posted by robbied196 View Post
Welcome to C & V Laurence. Good to find another vintage bike fan in the UK.

Your bike looks pretty tidy so its just a question of how much you want to do and spend. It looks like you've already taken lots of photo's which is one of the best things you can do to start with. Also, its a nice record to look back on when you've finished restoring. If you're a perfectionist like myself ( almost a curse!) I'd completely strip it down to its ball bearings. Clean and polish everything, then rebuild with good quality grease and get everything adjusted right.

The frame doesn't need a repaint, and its something you should always avoid doing if possible. If you do decide to strip it right down, you can sit watching TV with the frame in your lap, some rags and a tub of T.Cut. Those old enamel frames come up like new. Good luck.
I've decided what I'm going to do now, Which is exactly what you say, just do as best as I can without taking the paint off, then just preserving it... and riding it in the nice weather, I'm going to keep an eye out for another similar bike with less sentimental value, that I can do what I want with... and (maybe) ruin in some of your eyes so I apologise for that, In the mean time... I'm going to start stripping it down tomorrow, and cleaning... Thanks for all the advice! I'll keep the forum updated on my progress (Most likely very, very slow!)
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Another question! Are the brake and gear cables still easy to come by? Or should I make sure I keep these ones on the shelf?

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Originally Posted by Laurence_13 View Post
Another question! Are the brake and gear cables still easy to come by? Or should I make sure I keep these ones on the shelf?
It will be easy to track down new cables off Ebay. There's lots of Buy It Now deals at good prices. If I'm restoring a bike I'm planning on using, I often replace the brake cables, chain, innertubes and tyres just for peace of mind.
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Laurence, if you email me your address Iīll send you a set of drop bars and Shimano aero-style brake levers. My treat. Consider it an early Christmas present, to get you started in the wonderful world of Classic and Vintage.

My email is simoninmilan (at) hotmail (dot) com
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Laurence, if you email me your address Iīll send you a set of drop bars and Shimano aero-style brake levers. My treat. Consider it an early Christmas present, to get you started in the wonderful world of Classic and Vintage.

My email is simoninmilan (at) hotmail (dot) com
You serious?! :O Wicked, how much do you want for them? I'm in the process of sending you an email now, thanks
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All boxed up, along with some old French moustache bars in case you donīt like the drops, Shimano aero brake levers, a couple of brake cables... oh, and donīt buy any pedals tomorrow, either.... just a hint.
Santa came early.
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All boxed up, along with some old French moustache bars in case you donīt like the drops, Shimano aero brake levers, a couple of brake cables... oh, and donīt buy any pedals tomorrow, either.... just a hint.
Santa came early.
thats me... now are you serious? Or is this some kind of initiation prank haha even so, thankyou I owe you one... a massssive one.
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No problems mate, not a prank, just had a few bits and bobs hanging around in the parts bin that you can make better use of..... enjoy.

Hereīs your box all ready to go. Welcome to the forum.


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No problems mate, not a prank, just had a few bits and bobs hanging around in the parts bin that you can make better use of..... enjoy.

Hereīs your box all ready to go. Welcome to the forum.
Flippin hell! If you're ever in the UK and need a hand... a place to stay for a bit or a puncture repair kit I'm happy to help. Plan to do a europe trip with my dad on a couple of laverda 500's in a year or two, may have to call in If theres ever any bits you need painting I can't powdercoat but I can get it at a very cheap price... I'm learning to airbrush and can do simple designs... got all the equipment so I can help there... not that thats probably much help... do you get the idea i'm unbelievably grateful yet?

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Might have to take you up on that return offer!
In the meantime best of luck restoring your Grandadīs bike. Your box is in the post.
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Might have to take you up on that return offer!
In the meantime best of luck restoring your Grandadīs bike. Your box is in the post.
Thanks todays gone really well, the components on it that i've seen so far clean up like new! Got up thismorning with the intention of going to see another raleigh, pretty much the same but a lower spec model (not 531) and thought, hang on a minute, i've got a perfectly good bike out there and some drop bars on the way! get on with it! so I stripped it down as far as I could, then took it into the bike shop to get the cranks pulled and the bottom bracket removed... and the forks, because i didn't have a big enough spanner. Called in at work experience to see if I could 'borrow' a big tub of brake cleaner, it works wonders removing grease, they should just call it cleaner really... you can use it for anything! t cut the frame, which now looks shiney, with a fair few surface rust patches, so I wire wooled them, got them down a bit lower and as a temporary measure just put a light coat of clear lacquer over the top (I think thats how you spell it) and now it looks a bit better, lets just say it has character! The bottom bracket cleaned up like new! it looks absolutely gorgeous, it's a shame they don't make them like that any more, the one on my mountain bike went the other year (the bb's got a bit pitted) and I had to throw it away the contact surfaces were fine Cleaned up all the head bearings and steerer tube caps ( i think thats what you call them) didn't get many pictures as i left my camera at home, so when I get round to uploading them, most of todays progress with be camera phone pictures, and my phone is TERRIBLE, so apologies in advance for that!
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quick update - Box of bits turned up on saturday, thankyou very much to barchettaman - top bloke! given the frame a good polish and gently sanded down the rust, I'm going to leave it as is at the moment, it has character right? now all is left to do polish the wheels, clean up the cassette, and other bits and bobs that shouldn't be dirty, Pick up some brake cable outers and some bar tape... and it should be done! I started taking lots of pictures but got so exited I forgot, so theres just going to be before and after pictures I'm afraid!

oh, and a new saddle!

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Update - Sorry I havent been on in ages, had a hectic few months... still not finished, but heres how it's looking at the moment, need some new tyres definately, and a lot more cleaning to do Again, massive thanks to barchettaman.



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Looking good, Have to rotate the pictures before you post them.
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