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12-07-11, 08:09 AM
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And your judmentalism and fear of criticism speak volumes about yourself.
By volumes, I assume you mean that it shows we're interested in C&V bikes and even some modern "vintage" styled rides, as well as the market for replacement parts and the innovators in that area? We're discussing his latest design, not mocking everything he's ever done. He gets some high marks for some of his designs, but the latest dbl top-tube, mixed up stay design-frame is just a little strange to me. And guess what? That's my opinion, and I don't think GP would cry that some people on C&V think his latest frame is a little much. Something tells me he's pretty confident in his designs...maybe it's that they keep getting bolder?
Unbunch them panties and relax, son. This (discussion, opinions, criticism) is par for the course whenever you're producing something you admit on your blog is "not for everyone." Innovators like GP are used to it, so don't feel you need to defend him by criticizing us.
By volumes, I assume you mean that it shows we're interested in C&V bikes and even some modern "vintage" styled rides, as well as the market for replacement parts and the innovators in that area? We're discussing his latest design, not mocking everything he's ever done. He gets some high marks for some of his designs, but the latest dbl top-tube, mixed up stay design-frame is just a little strange to me. And guess what? That's my opinion, and I don't think GP would cry that some people on C&V think his latest frame is a little much. Something tells me he's pretty confident in his designs...maybe it's that they keep getting bolder?
Unbunch them panties and relax, son. This (discussion, opinions, criticism) is par for the course whenever you're producing something you admit on your blog is "not for everyone." Innovators like GP are used to it, so don't feel you need to defend him by criticizing us.
12-07-11, 08:22 AM
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What is the point of the randomly overbuilt frame? And the price? I mean seriously, I know rivendell tries to sell road-ish bikes that can fit large tires, are durable, etc... but IMO you'd have to be the grouchiest of retrogrouches to pick a rivendell over this for example:
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/prod...yclocross-bike
Light, strong, stiff, fits huge tires, way cheaper
https://www.westernbikeworks.com/prod...yclocross-bike
Light, strong, stiff, fits huge tires, way cheaper
12-07-11, 08:30 AM
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I'm thinking super duty tourer - set up for Panniers and a Trailer. I'm also thinking it might not look so strange built up.
If I'm correct I'd like to be addressed as the "cyclist" Prophet formally know as Velognome, thank you very much.
"Anybody got anymore coffee?"
If I'm correct I'd like to be addressed as the "cyclist" Prophet formally know as Velognome, thank you very much.
"Anybody got anymore coffee?"
12-07-11, 10:10 AM
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Like I said earlier I like him and the company. My contention is this bike is the wrong one for the times. Too far out there,too much money when he should be trying to reach for those who cannot afford $4K+ for a bike but like the high bar Rivendell fit. I like the Hunqapillar and were the money available would buy one today.
I had no wish for this to turn nasty as so many threads do these days hence the word discuss at the beginning. Just because someone doesn't share my viewpoint isn't an invitation for a catfight.
I had no wish for this to turn nasty as so many threads do these days hence the word discuss at the beginning. Just because someone doesn't share my viewpoint isn't an invitation for a catfight.
12-07-11, 10:34 AM
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12-07-11, 11:02 AM
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I :
1. Like a lot of his work
2. Can't afford the Kool-Aid
3. Don't like that frame in specific (keepin it on topic)
1. Like a lot of his work
2. Can't afford the Kool-Aid
3. Don't like that frame in specific (keepin it on topic)
12-07-11, 11:38 AM
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I think GP is a freaking genius. PT Barnum, Don King, Billy Mays.........amateurs compared to GP.
12-07-11, 11:55 AM
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12-07-11, 12:01 PM
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12-07-11, 02:28 PM
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And your judmentalism and fear of criticism speak volumes about yourself.
By volumes, I assume you mean that it shows we're interested in C&V bikes and even some modern "vintage" styled rides, as well as the market for replacement parts and the innovators in that area? We're discussing his latest design, not mocking everything he's ever done. He gets some high marks for some of his designs, but the latest dbl top-tube, mixed up stay design-frame is just a little strange to me. And guess what? That's my opinion, and I don't think GP would cry that some people on C&V think his latest frame is a little much. Something tells me he's pretty confident in his designs...maybe it's that they keep getting bolder?
Unbunch them panties and relax, son. This (discussion, opinions, criticism) is par for the course whenever you're producing something you admit on your blog is "not for everyone." Innovators like GP are used to it, so don't feel you need to defend him by criticizing us.
By volumes, I assume you mean that it shows we're interested in C&V bikes and even some modern "vintage" styled rides, as well as the market for replacement parts and the innovators in that area? We're discussing his latest design, not mocking everything he's ever done. He gets some high marks for some of his designs, but the latest dbl top-tube, mixed up stay design-frame is just a little strange to me. And guess what? That's my opinion, and I don't think GP would cry that some people on C&V think his latest frame is a little much. Something tells me he's pretty confident in his designs...maybe it's that they keep getting bolder?
Unbunch them panties and relax, son. This (discussion, opinions, criticism) is par for the course whenever you're producing something you admit on your blog is "not for everyone." Innovators like GP are used to it, so don't feel you need to defend him by criticizing us.
12-07-11, 03:04 PM
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ok here is the link with more explanation and pic of the built bike https://rivbike.tumblr.com/
and and for the lazy out there here is what it looks lke built
In my mind not bad lookng, but what strikes me is how it is similar to my utility commuter bike, which was built from a Nishiki frame (which has a tour type specs even thought it was not sold that way) with a 1x8 with simple thumb shifter
and and for the lazy out there here is what it looks lke built
In my mind not bad lookng, but what strikes me is how it is similar to my utility commuter bike, which was built from a Nishiki frame (which has a tour type specs even thought it was not sold that way) with a 1x8 with simple thumb shifter
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12-07-11, 03:19 PM
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In Rivthink, why does the shift cable not shoot down the mid tube?
I have not followed this very closely but is this one of the results of the "I will build a bike for you, but don't ask many questions about it"?
I have not followed this very closely but is this one of the results of the "I will build a bike for you, but don't ask many questions about it"?
12-07-11, 03:42 PM
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Much a do about (>$4k worth of) nothing. One man's design exercise. He could afford it. If you're a devoted fan, buy one.
Nothing more.
Nothing more.
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12-07-11, 03:51 PM
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also, consider this: On a two-chainring bike like this, where the second ring is strictly a bail-out, do you need a front derailer? Use your fingers or a stick. Stop, change gears, get back on. It’s super easy, and is a nice little protest against the ultra-dumbing down of shifting that is happening now with electonics masquerading as technological improvements. For racing—whatever—-those guys take dope and tout whatever they’re paid to tout, and shouldn’t drive the market, but they do.
and nice glorified $5000 mixte
12-07-11, 03:59 PM
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How can you put all that work into welding a frame and then just clear coat the oxidized steel? Yuk. Just seems like an excuse to save some work, like high end hot rod type cars that spec a flat finish. Yeah, that's just so your lousy body work doesn't show, who are you kidding.
I actually like some of the frame design, but then again I like oddball bikes.
I actually like some of the frame design, but then again I like oddball bikes.
12-07-11, 04:04 PM
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Oh, now I see why the curves on the chainstays end like they do!
Yeap, long toptube, long stem, pullback bars = Orange County Choppers. If it was a motorcycle they'd stick in a fake Knucklehead engine and call it a Brough!
Actually, didn't Joe Breeze's original mountain bike have the second diagonal tube?
https://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events...bce2fd5_1M.png
Yeap, long toptube, long stem, pullback bars = Orange County Choppers. If it was a motorcycle they'd stick in a fake Knucklehead engine and call it a Brough!
Actually, didn't Joe Breeze's original mountain bike have the second diagonal tube?
https://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events...bce2fd5_1M.png
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12-07-11, 04:08 PM
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The "bodywork" does show on this bike, and it's anything but lousy. The limited production models will be painted, but Grant gets to pick the color for you.
Interesting, but I don't want one - I prefer my bikes with just one pair of fork blades
Interesting, but I don't want one - I prefer my bikes with just one pair of fork blades
12-07-11, 04:14 PM
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Also, I thought the whole point of the sloping toptube was to get the stem up higher... Why is the stem AND the seat so high? Seems the frame could've been bigger, but that's how all modern bikes look to me these days. 15" of seatpost seems to be the norm.
And a bigger chainring or large rear cog seems like it will pose a problem...
And a bigger chainring or large rear cog seems like it will pose a problem...
12-07-11, 04:29 PM
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ok here is the link with more explanation and pic of the built bike https://rivbike.tumblr.com/
and and for the lazy out there here is what it looks lke built
In my mind not bad lookng, but what strikes me is how it is similar to my utility commuter bike, which was built from a Nishiki frame (which has a tour type specs even thought it was not sold that way) with a 1x8 with simple thumb shifter
and and for the lazy out there here is what it looks lke built
In my mind not bad lookng, but what strikes me is how it is similar to my utility commuter bike, which was built from a Nishiki frame (which has a tour type specs even thought it was not sold that way) with a 1x8 with simple thumb shifter
12-07-11, 04:55 PM
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sorry guys. i like it, i don't want one but i think its cool
12-07-11, 05:07 PM
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I wonder if it is aimed at folks who are greatly overweight. I know they (Rivendell) had worked w/ some folks in the past who were very heavy and trying to ride to lose/manage weight. IIRC the buyer of an Altlantis returned it due to his 400+lb weight making the bike flex like crazy. Have to wait and see.
How can you put all that work into welding a frame and then just clear coat the oxidized steel? Yuk. Just seems like an excuse to save some work, like high end hot rod type cars that spec a flat finish. Yeah, that's just so your lousy body work doesn't show, who are you kidding.
I actually like some of the frame design, but then again I like oddball bikes.
I actually like some of the frame design, but then again I like oddball bikes.
Still don’t know how to decal it—-will decide later. Also, altho we’ve stopped doing clear powder coating, if you live inland where the air isn’t salty and you don’t ride on salty roads, clear powder may be an option. Otherwise, I’ll pick the colors for everybody, and they may be different.
I love Rivendell. I dont always agree with GP's opinion on things, but I get it. I dont get the double top tubes of recent Riv models and sure as heck dont get the diagonal tube / weird extra stays. Seems superfluous...which, in my mind, runs contrary to what makes Rivendell Rivendell...simplicity and tested, classic design.
12-07-11, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Grant Petersen's latest blog entry on this very bike:
" Now I can fulfill my longtime dream of being able to ring and shift at the same time."
-Kurt
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you should read the link:
Still don’t know how to decal it—-will decide later. Also, altho we’ve stopped doing clear powder coating, if you live inland where the air isn’t salty and you don’t ride on salty roads, clear powder may be an option. Otherwise, I’ll pick the colors for everybody, and they may be different.
Still don’t know how to decal it—-will decide later. Also, altho we’ve stopped doing clear powder coating, if you live inland where the air isn’t salty and you don’t ride on salty roads, clear powder may be an option. Otherwise, I’ll pick the colors for everybody, and they may be different.
Perhaps they are making a statement, or going for a steampunk kind of look, but I think the finish makes the frame look cheap and poor quality.
Like I mentioned before, a lot of street rod enthusiasts go with a flat finish on their cars. In my opinion a flat finish on a vehicle is just an excuse to cover poor quality bodywork. No painter in his right mind is going to want to spray a flat finish over his flawless bodywork, but will jump on a flat finish if his bodywork is less than good. Meaning, if the quality of the work is good the quality of the finish should be good.