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balindamood 12-10-11 04:13 PM

Suntour Freewheel Heirarchy
 
Probably been asked 100 times before, but for the absent-minded, search inhibited population amongst us, what is the order of Suntour freewheel models (Winner, Winner Pro, 888, compe, etc, etc)?

Drakonchik 12-10-11 04:22 PM

Roughly:

Superb Pro
Winner Pro
Winner
Pro-Comp
Perfect

Accushift 6 and 7 speeds kind of sit outside the line-up. Some Winner (&Pro) are spaced for Accushift, and so are high end. But the bulk are kinda Perfect level quality though the internals and spline system was completely revamped.

888 has no real meaning vis-a-vis quality (it's not really a model), it just dates the freewheels to the mid 1970s at the latest.

Some one else will come along and sharpen the picture for you and maybe point out some errors in my thumbnail sketch.

WNG 12-10-11 04:56 PM

Winner came first, had gold cogs, then they released New Winner, with silver cogs, Winner Pro has the 4-prong body. Ultra models were available in New Winner and Winner Pro.

miamijim 12-10-11 05:05 PM

Throw the Microlite to the top of the list.

Captain Blight 12-10-11 08:43 PM

Really? I JUST found one a them. I think it's going to be the cornerstone of a weight-weenie build.

ColonelJLloyd 12-10-11 10:34 PM

Just how can one tell an Ultra Six from a regular 6 speed without having them side by side? The far side of the largest cog to the far side of the smallest cog is 26.6mm on both of these.

13-26

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13229616330001

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13229616220001

13-24

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13212003890001

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13212004120001

Jeff Wills 12-10-11 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 13587176)
Just how can one tell an Ultra Six from a regular 6 speed without having them side by side? The far side of the largest cog to the far side of the smallest cog is 26.6mm on both of these.

Hmmm... on a New Winner body, the regular-6 freewheel's small cog will be above the freewheel body, like an Ultra-7. That is, the last cog threads onto the second cog, which threads onto the freewheel body. On an Ultra-6, the last cog threads directly on to the freewheel body. I hope this makes it a little clearer:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/STFW85A.GIF

zukahn1 12-11-11 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 13587176)
Just how can one tell an Ultra Six from a regular 6 speed without having them side by side? The far side of the largest cog to the far side of the smallest cog is 26.6mm on both of these.

13-26

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13229616330001

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13229616220001

13-24

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13212003890001

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13212004120001

The first one pictured can be adjusted tension wise on the bike with the right tool the second just no on adjustment.

toosahn 12-11-11 01:33 AM

I just put a wide-range Winner on my Eisentraut's wheelset today. I think it might be NOS (I got it with the purchase of another bike) as it's whisper silent.

miamijim 12-11-11 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 13587176)
Just how can one tell an Ultra Six from a regular 6 speed without having them side by side? The far side of the largest cog to the far side of the smallest cog is 26.6mm on both of these.

If you happen to have the official Suntour measuring tool....

zukahn1 12-11-11 04:55 AM

Other than the rare bike shop that has been around since or earlier than the 70's no one seems to have Sutour freewheel tools other than the basic removing tool. I had an adjustment wrench ounce upon a time.


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