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Drillium on the 'bay; competition for DD?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-C...item4160522734
Not nearly as nice in my view, as DD's work, but still cool. Check his other items. |
I haven't drilled any Campy parts since 1976 or so. Not sure I can bring myself to do it today, though. Nice looking but I agree, Drillium Dude's are nicer.
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I don't get this. Tullio is considered a god by most on this site. It's sacriligious to replace even a small fastener on a Camapagnolo component with a non-Camapgnolo item. Members incur the wrath of the multitudes if they mix Shimano into a Campagnolo group. All because this was the way Tullio intended it. Yet it's OK to basically deface and mutilate his product. This all seems hypocritical to me.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 13591221)
....to basically deface and mutilate .....
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 13591221)
I don't get this. Tullio is considered a god by most on this site. It's sacriligious to replace even a small fastener on a Camapagnolo component with a non-Camapgnolo item. Members incur the wrath of the multitudes if they mix Shimano into a Campagnolo group. All because this was the way Tullio intended it. Yet it's OK to basically deface and mutilate his product. This all seems hypocritical to me.
It might have prompted the creation of Super Record way back, or it was just a marketing plan? Who knows. The drilling and pantographing was the big thing prior to Super Record. It continued but later was more for Styling, not weight savings. Unless one went at it everywhere with a drill or mill, the weight savings was not that great. Component selection such as light wheels, alloy water bottle cage (did not rust either) alloy railed seats, 3ttt superlight bars, SL pedals and seat post, alloy freewheel or just even lighter stock components got the weight down much faster. |
Originally Posted by repechage
(Post 13591690)
Well, then what about Colnago and others who had Campagnolo components milled were doing so in Tullio's face in a manner of speaking in the 70's?....
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It's just bike parts...they made 50,000 of them. What's wrong with polishing and drilling up one of them? Seems to have given Drillium Dude an artistic outlet. Otherwise he'd be on the streets of Seattle, hacking away at a Sora rear derailleur with a bastard file in the rain.
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The seller actually got hold of me some months back and asked how I did the stuff on my Flickr page; I didn't know he was planning on selling on Ebay. Not that it's a bad thing - it's a free market, of course :) I thought his Italian tricolor paint job on the fully-hollowed rear derailleur was pretty cool and he does a pretty nice job of the rest of it. I like how he doesn't go overboard, does a pretty good job on spacing and proportion - although I find it interesting that he did not drill the back jockey wheel plate on either of his rear derailleurs.
Don't forget Otis, either; he's doing some awesome stuff I can't hope to approach without proper tools. Me, I'm just whittling away here and there as I have time available. This new guy on the block is going to take my place 'cause I'm done with Ebay for selling my stuff. From here on out, commissions and selling on the BF thread will be my only exposure, unless I start a website ;) Thanks for the nice comments, guys! DD |
Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
(Post 13593986)
The seller actually got hold of me some months back and asked how I did the stuff on my Flickr page; I didn't know he was planning on selling on Ebay. Not that it's a bad thing - it's a free market, of course :) I thought his Italian tricolor paint job on the fully-hollowed rear derailleur was pretty cool and he does a pretty nice job of the rest of it. I like how he doesn't go overboard, does a pretty good job on spacing and proportion - although I find it interesting that he did not drill the back jockey wheel plate on either of his rear derailleurs.
Don't for get Otis, either; he's doing some awesome stuff I can't hope to approach without proper tools. Me, I'm just whittling away here and there as I have time available. This new guy on the block is going to take my place 'cause I'm done with Ebay for selling my stuff. From here on out, commissions and selling on the BF thread will be my only exposure, unless I start a website ;) Thanks for the nice comments, guys! DD |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 13591221)
I don't get this. Tullio is considered a god by most on this site. It's sacriligious to replace even a small fastener on a Camapagnolo component with a non-Camapgnolo item. Members incur the wrath of the multitudes if they mix Shimano into a Campagnolo group. All because this was the way Tullio intended it. Yet it's OK to basically deface and mutilate his product. This all seems hypocritical to me.
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Originally Posted by poprad
(Post 13592717)
Seems to have given Drillium Dude an artistic outlet. Otherwise he'd be on the streets of Seattle, hacking away at a Sora rear derailleur with a bastard file in the rain.
DD |
I have to admit that I can identify with T-Mar's reluctance, but not that zealous about it. Though I consider D Dudes work beautiful, I'm not sure I could do it on my old Campy parts. Yes, they made tens of thousands NR derailleurs, and probably millions of chain rings, but I kind of like them just they way they are, as designed. I still own one artifact from my heavy cycling days in the mid '70's, that's my set of Nuovo Record chain rings I drilled out. They look pretty good for a rookie job with a hand-held drill motor and counter sink. They bring back fond memories. Don't think I need any more, but have considered practicing on a Shimano ring :>
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I'm not saying that I disapprove of the practice. I n fact, ido consider some of it as art. What grates me are certain forum members who are extremely verbal when you otherwise alter a Campagnolo component or group by substituting a non-OEM part, yet they consider drillium OK.
BTW, I don't think any Campagnolo engineer was ever involved in the pantographing by the bicycle manufacturers. When a OEM Camapagnolo part broke, Campagnolo would honor the warranty without question, regardless of the bicycle brand. Yet, when a pantographed part broke, you were told to go back through the bicycle's distributor. Basically, Campagnolo was refusing to honor the warranty because the components had been altered. |
Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 13595425)
I'm not saying that I disapprove of the practice. I n fact, ido consider some of it as art. What grates me are certain forum members who are extremely verbal when you otherwise alter a Campagnolo component or group by substituting a non-OEM part, yet they consider drillium OK.
If you're building up a bike purely for the pleasure of riding it (on which NR or any other campagnolo group has a good a place as any - it was never designed for the museum) the entire point is moot. But that is just the two types of bike and two types of owners on this forum: riders and collectors. |
Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
(Post 13594810)
How'd I miss this? That's f***in' funny :)
DD |
Originally Posted by Otis
(Post 13594029)
Dude, You still the man for poking holes in stuff by hand!
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^ Aw, you guys are too nice - thanks!
Personally, I admire the members here that paint their own bikes. Stick a paint gun or rattle can in my hands and I'm all opposable thumbs. Seriously, I have to give them props; I can't imagine how they do it and if I followed explicit instructions I'd still jack it all up. Bottom line: drillium will always polarize, and everyone has a right to his/her own opinion. It's all good :) DD |
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