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Old 12-15-11, 03:54 PM
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whats better than reynolds 531

In your opinion, which bikes would you take over other 531 made bikes, and what were they made of.
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Old 12-15-11, 04:00 PM
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titanium.


(this thread will likely turn into a "it's not the material, it's the builder" discussion--be warned)
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Tubing is a small part of the equation, there's a lot of reasons for builders to use different tube sets or even mix tube sets. Durability, Lightness, Stiffness....what's "better" all depends on the desired ride qualities.

There's also many different flavors of 531. There's Straight Gauge, Double Butted, there's 531c, 531cs....plenty of others that I'm sure i'm missing too.
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titanium.


(this thread will likely turn into a "it's not the material, it's the builder" discussion--be warned)
2 points. thread closed.
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Really the question is, what oil should be used in Sturmey Archer 3-speeds?
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nah no variables, I basically asked YOU which bikes not made of 531 would you pick over anything you've ever seen offered in 531. this applies even if you love 531. which bike that wasnt 531 would you give your left nut for (no pun intended lance)
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nah no variables, I asked YOU which bikes not made of 531 would you pick over any other 531 offering. this applies even if you love 531. which bike that wasnt 531 would you give your left nut for (no pun intended lance)
My super course is a tid bit too tall for me, so I may actually end up giving my left nut for my love of 531!
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Originally Posted by michaeljames View Post
whats better than reynolds 531
Reynolds 532. I mean, it's 1 better, idn't it?

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Really the question is, what oil should be used in Sturmey Archer 3-speeds?
Mercon ATF.
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that was hilarious raleighsport, i know the feeling
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
Reynolds 532. I mean, it's 1 better, idn't it?



Mercon ATF.
2 for 2.



To answer the OP, i'd take a Merckx Leader with MXL tubing over just about any racy frame with 531. Of Course dial it back to 1950's era and I'd be hard pressed to answer that question.

Or a Miyata with Splined Triple Butted Tubing.
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All other things being the same, I doubt many of us could tell the difference between identical frames made of 531, 753, Columbus, Ishiwata, etc. They all work fine when assembled into a frame that fits the rider and has geometry suited to the way it will be used.

My four favorite bikes are built of 531, Columbus, Falck & Libelulla. They are all wonderful, and the brand of tubing has nothing to do with that, other than being good enough for the purpose.
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Okay I'll play. When I first got into vintage road bikes (a whopping 2 years ago) I thought 531, and anything made from it, was the cat's meow. Having ridden dozens of nice road bikes since then I realize that the tubing sticker matters little. That being said, there are a few bikes I would take over "any 531 offering":

Merckx MX Leader (Columbus MXL)
Tomassini Velocista (Columbus Max)
Merckx Century (Reynolds 653)
IF Planet X (Reynolds 853)
Merckx Titanium AX (uhh not steal)
De Rosa Primato (Columbus El OS)
...lots of other stuff, those just top the list
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Double butted ultra thin tange, ala Sekai 5000.
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Mercon in a Sturmey Archer hub? Cool!

nah no variables, I basically asked YOU which bikes not made of 531 would you pick over anything you've ever seen offered in 531. this applies even if you love 531. which bike that wasnt 531 would you give your left nut for (no pun intended lance)
Frejus, Legnano, DeRosa, Masi, Cinelli... so many bikes: only one left nut. (Though without it there would be one nut left. Does that count?)
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I'm glad people came out to play! I know the steel does not make the bike, and some bikes steel was chosen for very different purposes and I am in no way trying t say which is better. I'm just passin the 531 peace pipe around metaphorically saying...if you couldnt choose 531 what the hell would you be riding when you got to heaven? lmao
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Really the question is, what oil should be used in Sturmey Archer 3-speeds?


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531 is old, old, OLD technology. Not that it's bad but there are definitely stiffer and lighter options out there for those of us that are into performance.
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In your opinion, which bikes would you take over other 531 made bikes, and what were they made of.
Don't understand your question; the title means "what alloys or tubesets are better than Reynolds 531?" and we did that one in the other thread. Your other line means (at least in normal English) "which 531 bikes are the best 531 bikes?"
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if you couldnt choose 531 what the hell would you be riding when you got to heaven?
A Supermarine Spitfire. Or an E-type Jaguar.

Oh, wait! They are made with 531!
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I'm sorry you dont understand the question. later there will be another 'game' where people ask or answer questions. dont feel bad
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I'm sorry you dont understand the question. later there will be another 'game' where people ask or answer questions. dont feel bad
I'm not trying to be mean.. but what did you really expect to happen with this thread? Most of us love 531.. and wether for good reasons or not stand by our choice...but that's just my opinion.
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its not mean at all, its your opinion. I asked for opinions on what people thought of a certain question. in less than an hour we got alot done other car mechanics i work with call it bench racing, nothing gets accomplished from it, no one gets upset or confused. its just good fun between people of like minds. nothing is gonna be written in the history books because of what went on in the last hour. merckx mx leader and sekai 5000 I'l have to look those bikes up!
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Originally Posted by 4Rings6Stars View Post
titanium.


(this thread will likely turn into a "it's not the material, it's the builder" discussion--be warned)
It's not the material, it's the builder. What size frame and the rider's style also plays a role.

All that being said, I'd take titanium and the Columbus nivachrome OS steels. I also love Miyata tubing and really like my bikes made of True Temper.

Also, which 531 tubing? There are several varieties.
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http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/...2_itemId=25384 about as much info as can be had on the 5000.
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Fuji Valite (triple butted - which I think is Ishiwata), Reynolds 853, and a couple versions of 531 are on my favorite riders. I've had bicycles with True Temper before. It might have been the build, but I didn't like it as much.
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