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Old 12-17-11, 02:31 PM
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Identify this [Italian ?] bicycle frame please.

Hi, I've just bought a bicycle on eBay [but haven't received it as yet], which I believe was manufactured in Italy but I can't positively identify it and this intrigues me. The ebay item number is 180766822568 and the seller has provided several quite nice photographs. Probably repainted frame and who / what is PLENT ?
Friends suggest, a pre 1970 CHIORDA, a CIMATTI, or CHIRICO frame.
There's a plain "square" C on the front fork crown top, not unlike COPPI. The lugs are similar to CHIORDA but mine appear to have cut-outs on the sides, similar to CHIRICO lugs ? The rear stays' brake bridge has "diamond shape" ends with small heart-shaped cut-outs. The main lugs are probably longer than the CHIORDA pattern, which I believe don't have side cut-outs.
No rear hanger is brazed-on.
My own feeling is that the frame might be a 1960's or earlier CHIRICO, as the frame lugs look similar in design but I'm not sure that a CHIRICO fork crown had a C engraved on the top. This is a pure hunch / guess !
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 12-17-11, 03:48 PM
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lots of pics will be a good start
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mid-80's
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Old 12-17-11, 04:03 PM
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can't tell you what "C" company made that for "Plent" (which I'd guess is a house-brand or team) but it has portacatena rear dropouts. Given that and the nutted brakes and clamp-on FD and cable routing...I'd say it's around 1978 or a tad later.
I was thinking it could be a Chesini but their capital C is a more normal italic font, not this square looking.
Quite a rust-bucket, hope you have a wading pool of oxalic acid!
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Old 12-18-11, 12:36 AM
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Gosh, that seller didn't do himself any favors with presentation. I am 99% sure the "C" stands for Clostridium tetani.

Looks great, but also begging for an oxalic acid bath.
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Out of curiosity, are you in France? I notice the auction says local pick-up only. If you aren't in France, did you convince the seller to ship internationally? And if so, how did that go?
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Hi, I don't live in France, I'm in the UK.
I asked him politely if he would export to the UK, with me paying all costs as I've been rebuilding / restoring bicycles for well over a half century, now as a full-time hobby.
We agreed a fair sale price and shipping cost; the bicycle was then offered on a Buy it Now basis which I accepted.
The bicycle is currently being shipped to me using the French Colissimo postal sevice which I've had many times in the past.
To be honest, not very many people who advertise for collection only will ship in my experience, especially Internationally, but this guy has been very helpful and speaks almost perfect English.
It's always worth asking, nicely and politely !
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That "C" sure looks a lot like the Coppi engravings I've seen - or am I imagining things?

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
That "C" sure looks a lot like the Coppi engravings I've seen - or am I imagining things?

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you're absolutely right: a Fiorelli-made Coppi, or at least the fork is a match.
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Yeah, that's it - at least as regards the fork:



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Looks like the long, wide concave fluting on the seatstay caps and the lug cutouts are a close match, too:



The owner of the subject bike is guessing the vintage as around 1978; it's a restoration. The OP's bike, while rusty, looks to be well-put-together. A lovely candidate for saving!

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Hi, the evidence seems to suggest that the frame is most likely a Fiorelli Coppi. As I understand it, Fiorelli made during one period the Coppi frames.
What I can't grasp is that some frames have Fiorelli decals and others have Coppi decals apparently on similar frames. Is this a matter of personal choice or is there some other criteria please ? My logic would be that if Fiorelli made the frames for Coppi, then the frame's designation should be Coppi, perhaps with reference to Fiorelli somewhere.
Does anyone have a reasonable date for the frame, having regard to it's features and possibly certain Campagnolo GS fittings ?
Thank you all for your interest and invaluable help - greatly appreciated.
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Old 12-28-11, 02:23 AM
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Hi, the cranks have the code for 1978, so I'd guess the frame is around that period.
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Here's hoping the seat post and stem are not stuck.
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I have totally dismantled the frame, nothing was "stuck" fortunately, although the chain had rusted solid in places.
I have almost completely stripped the frame back to bare metal and treated the bare metal with Kurust rust treatment solution as a precaution, as I proceed.
I wish everyone the very best for 2012.
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