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Old 12-17-11, 04:45 PM
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Nice looking Mercier

For some reason I took a liking to this particular Mercier's color combination. If I had the money I would probably buy it - although I'm not sure if the asking price is reasonable. I can't seem to get the link to work, maybe someone could help out?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercier-Typ-Mailand-San-Remo-Raymond-Poulidor-60-tees/1107852482522

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Old 12-17-11, 09:11 PM
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That link doesn't bring up any listing at all.
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Do you mean this Mercier? I had a hard time deciphering the ad, but I understand it's a Raymond Poulidor model.
If so I have to say that's one interesting French bike, but is it worth the asking price? ($1000)


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Mercier did have Camapgnolo equipped professional model, though I'm pretty sure it didn't have what appears to be stamped dropouts with a claw mounted derailleur. Many big brands did have a model named after their top star, though it was typically a entry level model. This one is curious in a apparent mix of entry and higher end features and components. Clearer pics might help.
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Listing says the tubes are "Tubes Allege" which, on a Peugeot, would indicate a U-08 level bike. See this thread.
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Old 12-19-11, 02:55 PM
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Thank you auchencrow for taking the time to post the image - that is the bike. I just was wondering if it was a decent quality frame - missed some of those details. Those older bikes sure have a certain elegance about them!
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Mercier did have Camapgnolo equipped professional model, though I'm pretty sure it didn't have what appears to be stamped dropouts with a claw mounted derailleur. Many big brands did have a model named after their top star, though it was typically a entry level model. This one is curious in a apparent mix of entry and higher end features and components. Clearer pics might help.
Is that a stamped dropout or one of the Simplex with no hanger?

T-Mar does raise some valid flags. And I don't think that stem is early 60s. I believe it would have been a Pivo with a hex bolt end for the bar and to secure the stem in the steerer. It is also missing the "Faits Main" and "Service des Courses" one might expect on a higher end frame. Similar 54cm frame on eBay also. Here.
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I can email you pics of a 1970 Mercier that I've had since new. Almost done with it. I'd post them up but everytime I try to post from Flickr or Photobucket there's not a lot of detail.
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T-Mar does raise some valid flags. And I don't think that stem is early 60s. I believe it would have been a Pivo with a hex bolt end for the bar and to secure the stem in the steerer. It is also missing the "Faits Main" and "Service des Courses" one might expect on a higher end frame. Similar 54cm frame on eBay also. Here.
+1 the long 110mm stem with recesed bolt and biggers bars don't appear to be 60's. They look to be late 70's or early 80's. As said this likely bike would have had a 80-90mm Pivot stem and Smaller handle bars originaly.
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I've been mulling this one over in my mind for the past couple of days. It's obviously not 1960s. It's also not an early 1970s model. The 300 from that period had an integral dropout hanger and the 100 and 200 had top tube cable stops, contrasting lugs and more chrome. Then there is the stem, as mentioned by others. This all points towards a newer model, probably late 1970s. I haven't seen many Mercier from that period and the ones I have seen are high end, so everything from here on in is pretty much speculation.

Assuming it is a Poulidor model, there are two common methods of approach. First build a true, high end, team replica, which this would not appear to be based on the derailleur claw, eyelets, straight cut seat lug, etc. The second approach is an upper, entry level model, appealing to the club racer or wannabe, similar to a Peugeot PA10 or Gitane Interclub. It more closely resembles this, with the aforementioned features, in conjunction with what appears to be a 700C wheelset (not sure if they're tubular or replacement clinchers).

The crankset, levers and derailleurs look like Campagnolo but aren't readily recognizeable. The crankset spider doesn't quite look right and the slotted dustcap definitely isn't. The rear derailleur looks slightly out of proportion. They could be Italian (or Spanish) 2nd tier components. Certainly, by the late 1970s cotterless cranks had become common on upper, entry level models and club racers.

The last piece of the puzzle involves Poulidor himself. He did ride for Mercier his entire career, so when would you bring out a commenmorative model? He never won the Tour de France or a World Championship. In fact he was nicknamed the "The Eternal Second" for having something like 8 podiums in the TdF with no wins. He did win the Vuelta and a handful of major Classics, but these were all in the early 1960s. So, it wouldn't appear to represent any single achievement. However, he was a much admired "geant de la route", so the other logical issue would be upon his retirement, which took place in 1977. While there are still some minor discrepancies, that's my best fit, provided those components are 2nd tier. It makes even more sense in the hot pink, team livery of the similar Ebay sample.

The bottom line is that pending further evidence, my current assessment is a circa 1977, entry level, commemorative racer.
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Looking again at the auction, I don't see where the seller claims the bike is from the 60s. He invokes Poulidor's mojo from 1961, but that is all.

T-Mar...seller does say the cranks are Nervar and identifies the shifter/derailleurs as Campa. You may be right about the tribute bike and dating. It could also be someone's flight of fancy.
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Looking again at the auction, I don't see where the seller claims the bike is from the 60s. He invokes Poulidor's mojo from 1961, but that is all.

T-Mar...seller does say the cranks are Nervar and identifies the shifter/derailleurs as Campa. You may be right about the tribute bike and dating. It could also be someone's flight of fancy.
Thxs. Just wondering how you are accessing the listing? The link says the listing has been removed. I couldn't even access as a closed listing. What trick am I missing?

Yes, it could be any of the situations you mention. I'm just speculating out loud, trying to make some sense of it and giving the seller and previous posters the benefit of any doubt. Sometimes, that gets me into trouble.
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Thxs. Just wondering how you are accessing the listing? The link says the listing has been removed. I couldn't even access as a closed listing. What trick am I missing?

Yes, it could be any of the situations you mention. I'm just speculating out loud, trying to make some sense of it and giving the seller and previous posters the benefit of any doubt. Sometimes, that gets me into trouble.
It shows up on my regular search in sporting goods for Mercier. Now I understand why it seemed like you had not read the auction. You are not one to idly speculate
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Auction link for those interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercier-Typ-...item19cb50bbfc
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It shows up on my regular search in sporting goods for Mercier. Now I understand why it seemed like you had not read the auction. You are not one to idly speculate
Thxs! Being able to read the actual listing and see better pics makes a huge difference.

The rear derailleur is Campagnolo 980. That would push things into the early 1980s. That's a bit of a stretch, especially given it doesn't have the appropriate levers. I think the Campagnolo is probably a retro-fit.

I'm definitely retracting the possibilty of a tribute model based on the listing's text. Also, given the seller is in Germany, my correlation of frame features to era may be erroneous. I find it hard to imagine that someone would retro-fit tubulars, so it would still appear to be an entry level, club racer (and the European equivalent to the North American model 200). It could be boom era with a upgraded crankset or post boom with an OEM crankset.
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