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Old 12-19-11, 10:18 AM
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What is the significance of the star

While pumping up the tires on my '78 Paramount I noticed a star stamped onto the bottom of the BB housing. What is the significance of the star?


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Old 12-19-11, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by silvercreek View Post
While pumping up the tires on my '78 Paramount I noticed a 6 point star stamped onto the bottom of the BB housing. What is the significance of the star?
Post a photo. I haven't seen one before, and it sounds like a stamp from the BB shell manufacturer. Mind you, even though the Paramounts returned to Nervex lugs from Prugnat in 1971, Schwinn chose to continue using the Prugnat BB instead of the complex (and crudely casted) Nervex shells - but I don't know if they changed suppliers late in the run. It's quite possible, as the Superiors used generic Japanese BB shells.

This star-stamped BB may be indicative of some sort of change, because my '72 and '73 Paramounts have smooth BB shells.

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it's a Jewish bike?
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it's a Jewish bike?
I'm really trying to work in a circumcision joke here, but it's not happening.
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Old 12-19-11, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Post a photo. I haven't seen one before, and it sounds like a stamp from the BB shell manufacturer. Mind you, even though the Paramounts returned to Nervex lugs from Prugnat in 1971, Schwinn chose to continue using the Prugnat BB instead of the complex (and crudely casted) Nervex shells - but I don't know if they changed suppliers late in the run. It's quite possible, as the Superiors used generic Japanese BB shells.

This star-stamped BB may be indicative of some sort of change, because my '72 and '73 Paramounts have smooth BB shells.

-Kurt

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Old 12-19-11, 11:20 AM
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I'm really trying to work in a circumcision joke here, but it's not happening.
Well, if the tubes have been milled...

Seriously though, it's almost certainly the trademark for the shell manufacturer, as previously suggested.

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it's a Dodge...
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Yep those are the Kosher BB's. Don't drink Dairy or eat Pork while riding this bike.....and especially don't drink dairy while eating pork either.
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Dairy's okay as long as you're not washing down a pastrami sandwich with it.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
it's a Dodge...
Actually, if it were two intelocked triangles, it would represent Godo, a Japanese bicycle component manufacturer known primarily for spokes.
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Is that color "Kosher Dill"?
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Originally Posted by silvercreek View Post
Interesting. Do you have a side view of the lug, Dane? I have a suspicion it isn't a Prugnat BB shell.

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I have seen the 6 point star on a number of bikes over the years, all were repainted.
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In the late 70's I worked in a shop welding cryogenic pressure vessels as a certified TIG welder. Each welder would get a stamp or "bug" as it was called to use on items they welded. Mine was a 3/16" star. It was likely used to show it had been inspected or aligned or had been a re-work.
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Originally Posted by ftwelder View Post
In the late 70's I worked in a shop welding cryogenic pressure vessels as a certified TIG welder. Each welder would get a stamp or "bug" as it was called to use on items they welded. Mine was a 3/16" star. It was likely used to show it had been inspected or aligned or had been a re-work.
My Paramount knowledge is none , just lust as a teenager. I agree with Frank, we use them in construction to identify which welder performed the weld on a structural member.
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My Paramount knowledge is none , just lust as a teenager. I agree with Frank, we use them in construction to identify which welder performed the weld on a structural member.
There were three builders of Paramounts - I know I have at least one by Wanda Omelian (1961 - it predates all other Paramount builders), and one by Don Mainland (1972 P13 all-chrome - it is said Mainland did all the chrome '72s, but the lugwork gives it away; looks like my Mainland-built Superiors), but I wouldn't be able to tell you who did my '70 (it's sloppy - I'll say that for it) or '73 (haven't given it a close look).

At any rate, none of them have that star.

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I know there was no star on my '66. I'll check my '71. I'm 100% positive there is nothing like this on my '83.

Frank, is a "brazer" considered a different trade than a "welder?" Or are they so close in the same family that they are considered the same? Just curious.
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None of mine had stars....
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Actually, if it were two intelocked triangles, it would represent Godo, a Japanese bicycle component manufacturer known primarily for spokes.
So...I'm guessing....the spokes on you then? No, really, looks more like a Moorish star, most likely the bike belonged to a desert king who was last seen in Bethlehem...mmmmm, maybe I'm getting my stories mixed up, anyway......

It's an interesting mark, any other marks on the BB, does the star appear anywhere else on the frame, is the bike original or a repaint and lots of photos of the entire frame whould be very helpful.
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Interesting. Do you have a side view of the lug, Dane? I have a suspicion it isn't a Prugnat BB shell.

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Originally Posted by ftwelder View Post
In the late 70's I worked in a shop welding cryogenic pressure vessels as a certified TIG welder. Each welder would get a stamp or "bug" as it was called to use on items they welded. Mine was a 3/16" star. It was likely used to show it had been inspected or aligned or had been a re-work.
That's standard operating procedure for a critical operation on something like presure vessels or hazardous waste containers but not common on bicycles. I'm sticking with the shell manufacturer's trademark.
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That's standard operating procedure for a critical operation on something like presure vessels or hazardous waste containers but not common on bicycles. I'm sticking with the shell manufacturer's trademark.
The chainstay socket ends look like the standard Prugnat shell - but it could also be the generic Japanese shell as used on the Superiors (and upon comparing the two again, I think it's the Japanese BB).

I'd need to see the top of the shell to be absolutely sure.

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Your inner chainring is on wrong....please rotate it one bolt hole in the clockwise direction.
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Is this star always there, or is it seasonal? If it's periodic it might actually be a planet, but since there see to be so many P'ounts without it I'd guess it's an even more significant omen. Perhaps this bike belonged to one of the Magi?.

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