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Winter-project 1972 Schwinn Sports Tourer build thread (hodge podge)

Old 01-14-12, 01:19 PM
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Winter-project 1972 Schwinn Sports Tourer build thread (hodge podge)

Bought the frame on ebay. Had a 1973 Super Sport I got from a friend. The SS had a huge dent in top tube so was cannibalized for this bike. Plus scrounged-up stuff from my parts pile and the LBS. Got the SR SP-11 pedals for five bucks. I kind of like them.

Please don't ask me why. I have no intention of calling this a restoration. Maybe a 1980s retro-rod? I have a bunch of Schwinns but did not have a fillet-brazed chrome-moly model. I know it weighs a ton, but doing this beats hanging out in a bar or gambling or whatever vice one can have.. And at least I have something to show for it at the end. Right?
We got our first snow this week so for a while there is no riding for me out here on the Indiana Prairie.

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Frame JH - September 1972 Sports Tourer - Kool Lemon
BB - New shimano sealed-type (UN55) - English, 68x127.5mm
Crankset - Silstar 170mm 40-52
Rear cluster - 6-speed Shimano 13-28 circa 1981
Pedals - SR SP-11 Eleven w/Sunlight XL clips
Rear DR - NOS Crane GS
Frt DR - Shimano Altus LT circa 1981
Shifters- 1970s Suntour bar-end type
Stem and bars - OEM Schwinn aluminum Randonne type bend
Brakes - Dura-Ace levers, Schwinn Weinmann center-pull w/NOS Schwinn cable set
Seat post - Ultra Cycle Taiwan (ebay) 26.8mm
Saddle - OEM Brooks B-15 (with half a bottle or neatsfoot oil)
Hubs - Shimano VIA (rear 120) circa 1981
Rims - UKAI 27x1 1/8 W/O LA
Tires - Panasonic Pasela Panaracer 27x1 1/8
Weight 28.25 lbs.

This is a photo of the frame as found, remaining photos of the bike as of today during first build-up and test fit. Will ride it some to be sure it is OK, then my plans are to tear it down and do a base-coat/clear-coat urethane repaint. But, the original patina is also kind of cool.. So for now, I'm still thinking.

Yes, I probably have $300.00 in it now..










Yes, after removing the hanger, the Crane bolted directly into the Huret dropout.





The SR SP-11 Eleven pedals



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While the bike does look nice the cars look better.
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Hoss, I can't wait to see it built up. For some reason, I really like yellow on the Sport Tourer and the Super Sport. The color really grabs your attention.
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Nice looking Schwinn and great project. you need one of those little things that go in the dropout that set the wheel forward over the RD.

Is that a Caprice or a Malibu/Chevelle?

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I'm a fan of hodge-podge, resto-mods. Mainly because it's less-stressful and in the end you have a beautiful frame with competent and durable components that will have your bike shifting better and stopping better than if you had gone with all original componentry.
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Nice bike, nice 69 Chevy! Best looking Chevy grille style ever.
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Nice bike, even better garage! I'm curious, how did you get the Altus front derailleur to fit onto the Schwinn seat tube? Did you use a shim?

I know it is pretty heavy, but I think it's a completely worth frame. It has so many features that were only found on the Paramounts of that time, and nothing says Schwinn to me like those smooth joints.

I have had two, one exactly like yours and a filet brazed superior. They are so indentical that I ended up selling the sports tourer.
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Nice bike, even better garage! I'm curious, how did you get the Altus front derailleur to fit onto the Schwinn seat tube? Did you use a shim?

I know it is pretty heavy, but I think it's a completely worth frame. It has so many features that were only found on the Paramounts of that time, and nothing says Schwinn to me like those smooth joints.

I have had two, one exactly like yours and a filet brazed superior. They are so indentical that I ended up selling the sports tourer.
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Thanks for the compliments.. The Altus.. Well, that's a Good question.. I thought it was odd that it laid right down onto that larger diameter tube but it did! So I'm tightening it up, looking at it and expecting it to explode. I've looked at it with my jewelers magnifier glasses and it seems the aluminum mount straps are malleable enough that it works.. It has a little surface corrosion on the chrome so no show piece. If it fractures so be it, no big loss.


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Nice looking Schwinn and great project. you need one of those little things that go in the dropout that set the wheel forward over the RD.

Is that a Caprice or a Malibu/Chevelle?
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The rear of those Huret dropouts are cast for little axle adjuster screws. Was looking at that today and wondering if I could chuck that frame up and drill and tap those. But yes, was going to clamp the wheel onto the old paint marks for now.

It's a 1969 Basic Belair that belonged to my Grandfather's first cousin "Flossie". (My Grandfather the bike mechanic) Flossie bought it new and it has been garaged it's entire life. Has 57,000 miles now. 327 V8 275hp powerglide automatic with P/S, A/C and AM radio. I took possession of it in 2007 as they wanted to keep it in the family. Flossie is 95 now and doing fine, still living in her own home. She had to stop driving because she lost her hearing.



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I like the 61-62 Belair in the second picture. Is that a Bubbletop and maybe a 409 also?
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I like the 61-62 Belair in the second picture. Is that a Bubbletop and maybe a 409 also?
Nothing special, it's my 1959 Impala four door sedan. I've had for 10 years. Rescued it from a 36-year Rip Van Winkle sleep in a heated attached garage in Hannibal MO. When I bought it in 2001, it still had 1966 license plates mounted on it. 14,000 actual miles.



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Nothing special, it's my 1959 Impala four door sedan. I've had for 10 years. Rescued it from a 36-year Rip Van Winkle sleep in a heated attached garage in Hannibal MO. When I bought it in 2001, it still had 1966 license plates mounted on it. 14,000 actual miles.



Wow, now that is a cool looking wind shield! That car has style to spare.
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This was my dad's 1965 Ford F100. He bought it new a year after I went into the US military service. I inherited it in 1996 when he passed away. I'm now 65 and finished restoring this truck in 2004. It's a lot of fun to drive and brings back good memories.



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21 January 2012 - Today it is completely mocked-up and adjusted.

Wish I could ride it! I still haven't decided if I want to leave the patina or restore the frame in BC/CC with new stickers from JRrestore.

And....... This thing is heavy, but not that bad actually! I'm gonna figure out a way to accurately weigh it.

I have brush-touched all the nicks and scratches with factory matched Kool Lemon lacquer from Pete Aronson and it looks pretty darned good now. Maybe I'll just leave it alone.







Frame JH - September 1972 Sports Tourer - Kool Lemon
BB - New shimano sealed-type (UN55) - English, 68x127.5mm
Crankset - Silstar 170mm 40-52
Rear cluster - 6-speed Shimano 13-28 circa 1981
Pedals - SR SP-11 Eleven w/Sunlight XL clips
Rear DR - NOS Crane GS
Frt DR - Shimano Altus LT circa 1981
Shifters- 1970s Suntour bar-end type
Stem and bars - OEM Schwinn aluminum Randonne type bend
Brakes - Dura-Ace levers, Schwinn Weinmann center-pull w/NOS Schwinn cable set
Seat post - Ultra Cycle Taiwan (ebay) 26.8mm
Saddle - OEM Brooks B-15 (with half a bottle or neatsfoot oil)
Hubs - Shimano VIA (rear 120) circa 1981
Rims - UKAI 27x1 1/8 W/O LA
Tires - Panasonic Pasela Panaracer 27x1 1/8
Weight 28.25 lbs.

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Cool Lemon

Hoss, So glad I found your posting. I bought a cool lemon ST back in 1972 on my cross country NYC to Fairbanks via LA solo bicycle expedition. Didn't like the color so sanded it off and repainted it, now I wish I did not! Would it be possible to send me contact info of the place your got your touch up paint from? I'd like to repaint my bike in the cool lemon. Also, looking for parts for the Nevar fcrank set (one of the bolts and spacers have been lost) Belive it or not I'm still riding it after 40 years and now am cotemplating flying back to Fairbanks and continuing "the ride" around the world.... that is if my knees will let me. I'm working out now and they are complaining .
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The bike looks really nice Hoss. From my seat, the touchup looks fantastic. Obviously it probably looks different in person, but I think you have a winner. Are those hoods the Cane Creek brand replacements? I ask because I bought the same thing for my Superior and can't decide whether or not I like them. Specifically the fake gum color.
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Bike looks great!! I have two, one in orange and the other in that bright green (can't think of the original names of the Schwinn colors). My only suggestion? Replace the black tape with the Schwinn yellow, always available on ebay.

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Hoss, So glad I found your posting. I bought a cool lemon ST back in 1972 on my cross country NYC to Fairbanks via LA solo bicycle expedition. Didn't like the color so sanded it off and repainted it, now I wish I did not! Would it be possible to send me contact info of the place your got your touch up paint from? I'd like to repaint my bike in the cool lemon. Also, looking for parts for the Nevar fcrank set (one of the bolts and spacers have been lost) Belive it or not I'm still riding it after 40 years and now am cotemplating flying back to Fairbanks and continuing "the ride" around the world.... that is if my knees will let me. I'm working out now and they are complaining .
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Bike looks great!! I have two, one in orange and the other in that bright green (can't think of the original names of the Schwinn colors). My only suggestion? Replace the black tape with the Schwinn yellow, always available on ebay.

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I actually have NOS Schwinn yellow bar tape. I thought about using it but I just don't like the sticky and no-padding feel. I'm going to ride this and I want to be comfortable.
I elected not to use Yellow cork tape as I knew it would soil rapidly and then look grungy.

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The bike looks really nice Hoss. From my seat, the touchup looks fantastic. Obviously it probably looks different in person, but I think you have a winner. Are those hoods the Cane Creek brand replacements? I ask because I bought the same thing for my Superior and can't decide whether or not I like them. Specifically the fake gum color.
Yes, these are the Cane Creek. They also have black.

Bought them at the LBS for $8.95. (Less than ebay) I think they look OK for the intended purpose of this rider.

TIP: Soak them in hot water for a few minutes to soften them and they go right onto the brake without a problem.

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ST Bottom Bracket Replacement

Nervar BB Spindle has stamped on it: 117
Nervar Crankset 40/54
Would like to replace the Nervar BB spindle. I see you installed a Shimano UN55 on your rebuild.
It seems there are many different sizes for this UN55.
68 x 107 68 x 110 73 x 107 73 x 110 73 x 113 73 x 118 73 x 122.5 (From an Amazon listing)
Can you tell me the exact part number, or BB sizes?

I believe, from reading Sheldon Brown's postings on Harris Cyclery pages that it has English threads? Like 39mm? But I may be mistaken, and since you've actually replaced you BB on an ST I thought you, or someone on this board would be able to help. The crankset gear teeth to my eyes seem to be still good after 3 or 4K miles on them, but may change it out to newer. Cranks are 170mm . Any suggestions/pointers on replacing everything? Thanks ! Appreciate the help! 8-) Will
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Will, you are correct that the Nervar spindle is 117. In fact, I am replacing mine right now also. However, keep in mind that the Nervar spindle taper is ISO and the Shimano UN55 is JIS. They are technically not compatible... although I believe it can be done in a less than perfect way.

I believe Hoss's bike has cranks that take a JIS taper, so a UN55 unit is compatible with his.
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I plan to install a Nervar crank on a UN54. I bought a 70x115, because the 118 was out of stock. The rear spacing is 120. Hopefully it fits well.
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Hoss: Two thumbs up!! I wish I could ship some of the weather we've has here this winter so you could get that baby on the road. This March, I will have had my Sports Tourer 40 years!
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Will, you are correct that the Nervar spindle is 117. In fact, I am replacing mine right now also. However, keep in mind that the Nervar spindle taper is ISO and the Shimano UN55 is JIS. They are technically not compatible... although I believe it can be done in a less than perfect way.

I believe Hoss's bike has cranks that take a JIS taper, so a UN55 unit is compatible with his.
Yes, my crank-set is what I believe to be early 1980s (LeTour?) - It is "SILSTAR" branded. 170mm arms JIS
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My Shimano BB is 68x127.5 English thread - No part number on the box anywhere other than UN55 - (This 127.5mm length is what I arrived at because I was having a problem with chain "rub" with the 117mm spindle length with this crank-set.) When the chain was on the smallest rear cog and the smaller chain-ring, it rubbed hard on the interior surface of the large chain-ring.

[On this build, I am using the original wheels from my 1981 Super LeTour with 6-speed freewheel]

My set-up now has good alignment and fourth cog down on rear while on large chain-wheel results in almost zero cross-over. Which for me is a good flat-land cruising gear without excessive crossover. (And is also a ratio almost equal to the maximum cross-over smallest rear cog and smaller chain-wheel.)
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I believe, from reading Sheldon Brown's postings on Harris Cyclery pages that it has English threads? Like 39mm? But I may be mistaken, and since you've actually replaced you BB on an ST I thought you, or someone on this board would be able to help. The crankset gear teeth to my eyes seem to be still good after 3 or 4K miles on them, but may change it out to newer. Cranks are 170mm . Any suggestions/pointers on replacing everything? Thanks ! Appreciate the help! 8-) Will
Yes, "English" threads x 68mm width.
I wanted to put a TA crank-set on the bike but they are really expensive. Forum member "Al" sold me this SILSTAR set for a good price and they look much like the original TA brand.

Once again Sheldon Brown might have been right about ISO vs. JIS, it seems that they do mostly work. (from my recent fiddling I have had several combinations test-fitted and my LBS which the mechanic has been doing this for 40 years says the same as Sheldon...)

- In my 22 years in the off-road racing motorcycle business and personally building my and our team's National Championship winning dirt bikes, I have often spoken to customers who want to "split-hairs" over technicalities or things they've read on "the net" and in reality we may have been doing it the "wrong way" at the highest levels of competition for decades and have had no problems of any kind.) Soooooo...

For me, 35+ years since I worked as a mechanic in the LBS - But for some reason I seem to remember that when this was done, sometimes the arms would not stay tight and you had to be sure of the fact that the crank arm was not bottomed-out on the taper which did not allow the center locking bolt to apply constant pressure to hold the arm from wiggling around.

But please don't quote me on any of the above. I'm a newbie to this forum and stake no claim to expert status.. I'm sure many would call me a "hack".

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Another image -
I bought a buffing motor and have been doing some of that for winter fun.. The front brake is an example.

The head-badge is an aluminum baked-enamel stick-on from a WalMart "Schwinn" mountain bike that I picked from the trash on town-wide clean-up day. (This China junk Schwinn "donor" was put to the curb after being ran-over whilst laying behind Dad's car)
I liked the colors on the badge so I stuck it on there with 3M double-sided sticky-tape
- One can't have a bike nowadays without at least one token China trinket mounted on there. It just wouldn't seem right.


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So how easy was the touch up paint? I might be interested in the small touch-up bottle in Lime Green. My frame has some pretty decent sized chunks of paint missing
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