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Old 01-21-12, 05:07 AM
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Watch out posting anything about campagnolo,lots of the C&V faithful are prone to CAMPOGAZAMS. LMAO
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Any "brand name" needs to be prtected.....when you're trying to make a buck out of it. ;0)
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Hey, what about the lower quality Gipiemme? I bought a Gipiemme triple crankset on ebay a while back, with painted black steel chainrings. The two smaller ones are oval. The crank arms are alloy and appear to be gray anodized, and have the brand spelled out vertically on them. I've not been able to find out anything about it. Does anyone know if this sounds like some group?
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes
I read that ealier Gipiemme were just rebadged Simplex.
Sort of. When Gipiemme wanted to offer a complete parts 'group,' they initially contracted out some components, and Simplex was selected for the derailleurs. Other manufacturers did this kind of stuff as well.
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes
I read that ealier Gipiemme were just rebadged Simplex.
I read something along those lines on the Disraeli Gears site:

They certainly rebadged a variety of Simplex derailleurs during the 1980ís and possibly the early 1990ís, as they strove to provide Italian bicycle manufacturers with a complete groupset.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
Used a GPM special triple which is a bit better than the Campag 1048/5 triple . [imho]
they left more metal in the spider arm and blind drilled and tapped it for an 86bcd third ring.
so instead of 36t only, there are other possibilities ..
that is if you can find any 86mm bcd (a stronglight pattern) chainrings ..
I built up [80's]a wide-double, and put a polished Campag Chainguard on the outside.
used the Campag triple BB just fine..
SRC offered a GPM Special triple cankset in their 1983 catalogue (105500 Gipiemme, No. 600100/3).
I own just that model but unfortunately without the small chainring (and the bolts).
I measured roughly 49 mm distance between the adjacent holes (c-c) but for 86 bcd it should be 50,5 mm?
So I thought I need to find a 84 BCD chainring (impossible of course).

I would be very pleased to hear that 86 mm BCD definitely fits on that crank.
Also a tip on where to find the original (M5) Bolts or any suitable substitute would be very welcome.

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
I think it's just fine. There were many "poor cousins" to Campy that were better in many views:

Ofmega's Mistral crankset
Universal's AER brakeset
Gipiemme's seat posts
Ofmega Sintesi/Avocet's version pedals

There's a guy in Chicago that likes to put together all-Italian bikes with no Campy components.
His stuff is great.
Don't forget Omas. Most of their Components equaled or bettered Campag.
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Old 11-18-15, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Friederich
SRC offered a GPM Special triple cankset in their 1983 catalogue (105500 Gipiemme, No. 600100/3).
I own just that model but unfortunately without the small chainring (and the bolts).
I measured roughly 49 mm distance between the adjacent holes (c-c) but for 86 bcd it should be 50,5 mm?
So I thought I need to find a 84 BCD chainring (impossible of course).

I would be very pleased to hear that 86 mm BCD definitely fits on that crank.
Also a tip on where to find the original (M5) Bolts or any suitable substitute would be very welcome.

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the M5 bolt was Machined to have a shoulder much wider , then the fixing bolt that held the 3rd chainring on was screwed into that ..
at this late date you may have to hire one of the many German Machine shops to make something. (If it's that Berlin)

Id consider threading the chainring bolt carrier and using a 5mm Flat head or setscrew thru it , for the attachment to the crank arm.

Then that piece can even be made to accept a more common 74mm pcd chainring.

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Originally Posted by fietsbob
the M5 bolt was Machined to have a shoulder much wider , then the fixing bolt that held the 3rd chainring on was screwed into that ..
at this late date you may have to hire one of the many German Machine shops to make something. (If it's that Berlin)

Id consider threading the chainring bolt carrier and using a 5mm Flat head or setscrew thru it , for the attachment to the crank arm.

Then that piece can even be made to accept a more common 74mm pcd chainring.
Thanks, that is probably a good idea although I'm not sure if I will use up more than one chainring and 86 BCD stronglight chainrings are quite easy to find (at least here in Europe/ Berlin).
I'll have something machined in the winter and would appreciate it if you would be so kind as to show a picture of the original screws. That way I could order a part that looks like the original.

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I think you're right, yes.

The Gipiemme products I have seen, personally, would stand up to Campy components any-day. I'd qualify this only by stating in-fact that my exposure has been limited to seat posts, hubs, and brake components and accessories.

The re-branded Simplex products' success or failure is owed to their French provenance, and thus is moot.
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I have a bike set up with non-Campagnolo Italian parts: Ofmega CX cranks, Galli KL derailleurs, Miche Competition hubs and pedals, Modolo Speedy brakes, ITM seatpost. It's all very nice, looks great, and works about the same as Campy NR or SR-- which is not surprising since everything is a fairly close Campy clone. It seems like by the early 1980's it was difficult to sell anything that didn't look like Campagnolo. The only parts on the bike that aren't a Campy copy are the Gipiemme Crono Sprint (aka "cokespoon") shifters.
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Originally Posted by Camplex
The Gipiemme products I have seen, personally, would stand up to Campy components any-day. I'd qualify this only by stating in-fact that my exposure has been limited to seat posts, hubs, and brake components and accessories.
I've used several sets of Gipiemme "Dual Sprint" pedals. They look like Campagnolo "Superleggero" pedals, and quality is about the same as Campagnolo Gran Sport. The parts even interchange with Gran Sport pedals. No complaints.

I also have a set of Gipiemme "Special" track hubs. They are very nice; every bit as good as Campagnolo Record, IMO. Still smooth as silk after many years and lots of miles.
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How would the Campy copies by Roto compare?

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Gipiemme Sprint derailers were rebadged Simplex, but the set came with the cool Gipiemme "spoon" shifters. The paper tags on the derailers would fall off while still in the box.

A lot of the Zeus stuff was obvious copies of Campagnolo. It's the same with Taurus and Bianchi firearms. How do the Spanish get away with that?
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Since the thread title is Gipiemme I thought it might be interesting to get an overview about their products.
Here is a link to a german Gipiemme thread.

You'll find lots of beautiful pictures as well as a rough timeline of gpm products in that thread.
For those of you who can not read german:
The guy who owns most of the shown parts thinks that gpm was the best competitor to campagnolo at the time.
In the last post another guy doubts that opinion and remarks especially on the better shifting performance of campagnolo (and also shimano) at the time.

I personally think that comparing GPM (or other brands like OMAS, ROTO, Rhino, Ofmega etc.) to campagnolo in general is not such a fruitful approach.
One has to consider the time of production and the quality level to make a meaningful comparison.
The GPM Exploit derailleur from 1982 for example shifted probably better than Campagnolo GS, NR or SR derailleurs while the simplex clones did not.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
A lot of the Zeus stuff was obvious copies of Campagnolo. It's the same with Taurus and Bianchi firearms. How do the Spanish get away with that?
Rumor has it that Campagnolo outsourced production of some components to Zeus, particularly the exotic titanium stuff.
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Originally Posted by Wileyone
Don't forget Omas. Most of their Components equaled or bettered Campag.
I did forget about OMAS. Thanks for the reminder.

There was also Galli, whose components were, IIRC, around as common as Gipiemme. There were a couple more Italian parts makers. I think Cobra made a full gruppo, but I only ever saw the bottle cages. Gipiemme, Galli and Ofmega were the only ones that got imported in any quantity, I believe.

All of these smaller Italian component makers were seen as a step down from Campy at the time - whether fairly or not. Prices were usually only slightly less, which probably doomed them.
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine
I did forget about OMAS. Thanks for the reminder.

There was also Galli, whose components were, IIRC, around as common as Gipiemme. There were a couple more Italian parts makers. I think Cobra made a full gruppo, but I only ever saw the bottle cages. Gipiemme, Galli and Ofmega were the only ones that got imported in any quantity, I believe.

All of these smaller Italian component makers were seen as a step down from Campy at the time - whether fairly or not. Prices were usually only slightly less, which probably doomed them.
Gipiemme was considerably cheaper than campagnolo, at least in Europe and the company still exists.
But you are right anyway, campagnolo always led the market of bike parts in italy and their italian competitors were usually regarded as inferior.

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Simple answer, Campy is the best.
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Originally Posted by seypat
How would the Campy copies by Roto compare?

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I haven't used them except for a test ride, but the crankset, FD, RD and shifters functioned just fine. At it's all light as heck.
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Most everything in that era bested Campy in performance. However, Campagnolo was the only one with a reputation of being indestructible.
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes
I read that ealier Gipiemme were just rebadged Simplex.
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Simple answer, Campy is the best.
Yes... Campy is holy and blessed....



More Kool-Aid please...



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To anyone who believes that Campagnolo made all of their own products, I have some nice bridges for sale...



Gippiemme started in 1964 as a machine shop in Milano. In 1970 they were sub-contracting for companies like Campagnolo. They moved to the sacred holy city of Vicenza in 1974 to be closer to Campagnolo.

Gippiemme was also involved with Technociclo, the company that made most of Campy's dropouts.


Classic Rendezvous page on Gippiemme

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Link to a visit to Gippiemme's factory with lots of good info.

?Made in Italy?: a tour of the Gipiemme factory | CyclingTips


There was a recent discussion in the Classic Rendezvous List about who forged Campagnolo's crank arms. Several different suppliers made them... Sacrilege! Sacrilege!

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Originally Posted by verktyg
To anyone who believes that Campagnolo made all of their own products, I have some nice bridges for sale...



Gippiemme started in 1964 as a machine shop in Milano. In 1970 they were sub-contracting for companies like Campagnolo. They moved to the sacred holy city of Vicenza in 1974 to be closer to Campagnolo.

Gippiemme was also involved with Technociclo, the company that made most of Campy's dropouts.


Classic Rendezvous page on Gippiemme

Gippieme parts

Link to a visit to Gippiemme's factory with lots of good info.

?Made in Italy?: a tour of the Gipiemme factory | CyclingTips


There was a recent discussion in the Classic Rendezvous List about who forged Campagnolo's crank arms. Several different suppliers made them... Sacrilege! Sacrilege!

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There should be nothing wrong with this kind of collaboration, if the supplier manufactures the cranks with the same quality standards as the purchaser.
As long as it is a genuine campagnolo product I do not see any sacrilege.
Just to buy a product already beeing developed and introduced to the market from another manufacturer is something else.
But of course Gipiemme had a lot more to offer than GPM labeled Simplex RDs.
Even as subcontractors for Campagnolo GPM never sold a Campagnolo crank set clone.
Just the early hubs and Pedals were true campagnolo clones but I don't know about the bearing quality of those.
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