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Old 01-18-12, 12:35 PM
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Identify this light Italian and its parts...Hodge-podge content...

Picked this one up last night. It belonged to an old racer. I guess you could call it his go-to beater bike.

Italian threaded BB, Campagnolo dropouts, nice lugs, no braze-ons, 27.0 or 27.2 seatpost and possibly originally orange. Serial #93754 on BB shell.

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Old 01-18-12, 12:37 PM
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Also, what Campy parts are these? Couldn't line them up with anything specific on Velobase.





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Old 01-18-12, 12:39 PM
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Well... the fork appears to be not bent.

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The Campy group escapes me at the moment. I don't think they're higher end. Interesting that the freewheel is a Sachs...
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Old 01-18-12, 12:48 PM
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The shifters are Victory's.
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Nothing surprises me with this bike.

Performance rear hub laced to Mavic rim, Ultegra 6500 front wheel, Modolo Speedy front caliper, Dia-Compe rear caliper, 105 brake levers w/ Dia-Compe hoods, Cinelli stem, Forte carbon bars, mismatched NDS crank arm, Sachs 7 speed freewheel, Campy NR headset, and the other Campy.
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Victory derailleurs and shift levers; looks like Record cranks....to me, that is
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definitely an athena crankset. the RD could also be a victory or triomphe, the former if it has some kind of adjustment mechanism for the rear hanger. FD is also a athena but i believe the designed was shared with chorus/ CdA as well. the BB looks to be athena (thin cup/ dark anodized axle.)
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The BB is Italian threaded?
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I thought Victory for the shifters but was thrown off by the clamp design.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
The BB is Italian threaded?
Yes. Should it not be? Lol.
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Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
I thought Victory for the shifters but was thrown off by the clamp design.
Yes, a style clash if I ever saw one. Mine are mounted on top of the (aero) downtube. Much better.

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Look like Bocama Competition lugs. That doesn't really narrow it down all that much though...

https://www.velobase.com/ViewFramePar...a-f0dba1c4d19a
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+1 Victory derailleurs. Shifters?
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Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
Yes. Should it not be? Lol.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
The shifters are Victory's.
Only if they have the "coke spoon" indent on the back:



Lacking that, they would be Triomphe.
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Ultimate frankenbike.
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Also had these on it. Doesn't really matter, as I'll be keeping none of the parts since it's such a mish-mash.

Pedals are Victory, too.


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Anybody recognize the fork crown? Interesting to me that the inside tangs appear to be cast separately from the crown.
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Holy cut down seat post Batman!

Outside of Italy, any other countries produce bikes with Italian threaded BB's on a regular basis? If they are BCM lugs (French) with an Italian BB.... ?? The fork reinforcement tangs on the inside of the blades are a fairly common thing, but usually finished a bit differently than that from what I've seen. That thing is even more of a mutt than I thought when I saw it in the dark last night.
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Originally Posted by cuda2k View Post
Holy cut down seat post Batman!

Outside of Italy, any other countries produce bikes with Italian threaded BB's on a regular basis? If they are BCM lugs (French) with an Italian BB.... ?? The fork reinforcement tangs on the inside of the blades are a fairly common thing, but usually finished a bit differently than that from what I've seen. That thing is even more of a mutt than I thought when I saw it in the dark last night.
Yeah, and the dang cranks were only the 172.5 Campy drive side. The non-drive side was a 165 SR arm. Freakin' weird. Maybe his left leg was a bit shorter than the right. Lol.
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Something else that I should add is that it's built really similar to my Italvega. The rear brake bridge is set up for 10mm more reach than the fork. This, of course, pisses me off because brake options become limited.
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Originally Posted by cuda2k View Post
Holy cut down seat post Batman!

Outside of Italy, any other countries produce bikes with Italian threaded BB's on a regular basis? If they are BCM lugs (French) with an Italian BB.... ?? The fork reinforcement tangs on the inside of the blades are a fairly common thing, but usually finished a bit differently than that from what I've seen. That thing is even more of a mutt than I thought when I saw it in the dark last night.
Vintage Eddy Merckx bikes (made in Belgium) were Italian threaded (not that OP bike necessarily looks to be a Merckx). Quite a few small custom framebuilders would utilize Italian threaded BB as it only requires a right-hand threaded cutting die, cheaper tooling than english which needs 2 dies. Also possible that this frame originally was english thread and was later tapped oversize to Italian duto fix damaged threads.
THe serial number on the shell of this bike would suggest it probably came from a larger producer. Absense of brazed-on cable guides suggest that it dates back to mid/late 70's.
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Something else that I should add is that it's built really similar to my Italvega. The rear brake bridge is set up for 10mm more reach than the fork. This, of course, pisses me off because brake options become limited.
Nah, just get a bigger wheel ...
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Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
Anybody recognize the fork crown? Interesting to me that the inside tangs appear to be cast separately from the crown.
That's pretty typical for that era. The tangs were separate pieces that fit into a recess in the crown socket:

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