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Old 01-19-12, 05:16 PM
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Lugged mountain bike frame ID.

Hey all!

Looking to get an id on this rather elusive bike! It's given me no hints so far other than a rather vauge BB stamping that reads (Stylized as below.)

EH 1300 R 111

The bike has been painted orange, but was a bright sunburst yellow beforehand. The bike has relatively plain lugs which appear to be forged due to a complete lack of any pressing weld lines etc. Interestingly the forks appear to be nickel plated or similar because they haven't really corroded in that flaky way chrome does.

The bike appears to have been a mountain bike originally as it has pretty relaxed angles and generous clearance in all stays. It's also got one of those stupid under chainstay mounted U-Brakes. Oh what good fad's do us!

The bike is kitted out with a full Shimano Exage Mountain groupset.

Please excuse the unimpressive photos. It's very frustrating as a photography to be surrounded by cameras but not have a developing machine and scanner to show you my negs





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my '87 stumpjumper had a u-brake, i think they only made them with a u-brake for a couple of years, but my frame is welded (one of the first, a dubious distinction). otherwise, geo, components, toptube, look like mine. what kind of rims are those? check for Saturne rims.

BTW that's my size, hmmmm.... i always wished that mine had lugs. and there are a few sites with a lot of info on MTB bikes of this vintage. i just can't think of any of them, offhand. and my guess as to year of manufacture? say about '86 (on the early side for the u-brake?) and '89 (on the late side for lugs and straight toptube?).

edit: oh, i just noticed the unicrown fork. so i'm favoring the late '80's thru '91 maybe on DOM.

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Hmm, I think I might have to head to retro bike to get an answer. Feel terrible opening an account to just ask one question though!

Also, what did you mean by DOM?

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the U brake and the Exage mountain make it late '80s for sure but I don't think as late as '89. IIRC Exage Mountain was the top of the "sport" group and at the time Exage Country, Trail, Mountain. this would be upper end of a Recreational bike like a Hord Rock Comp or Rock Hopper.

Unfortunately mountain bikes of the era had little pizazz and often differed little from one to the other. In the US this could be anything from a Diamond Back, Sprcialized, Univega or even a Bianchi. unless someone can nail it down by the serial style it is hard to say.

The pumppeg is kid of neat I do not recall many MTBs having them

OH is there any thing stamped on the dropouts? the fork could be aftermarket. it is a longshot but the stem or seat post may also have a name stamped on them. if they do that could be a clue to who built them.
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Fork steering tube will usually be marked with brand of tubing and perhaps a date code. All of the components will have date codes. If the wheels are original, steel spokes = lower end model. I'll guess Japan or Taiwan, but who knows. Back then, bikes were almost interchangeable between brands, with the paint and decals being a lot of the difference (a lot of them were outsourced anyway, so were made in the same factory). Nutted front wheel, if original, points to low end as well. MTBs from that era often had nutted rear axle, but nutted front was low end.

Based on the U brake, 1988 +/-. My 1989 Univega Alpina Pro (made in Taiwan by KHS) has a U brake.

While I have had quite a few MTBs from that era, I don't put much time in figuring out exactly what one is, as the value is pretty minimal regardless (unless it is one of just a couple of rare MTBs).

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OH Jacque, you forgot to mention you intend to clean this up, turn it into a tourer and head for the French mountains. that will gain you alot of street credit here, these guys love Tourering and Randonneurer bikes
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I know my way to get in with the cool kids. To be honest I'm not massively fussed to find out what it is, it'd just be nice to know if I'm sitting on a proverbial pile of gold (Or lead, which will be Midas touched into touring gold)

And it's just Jack, the Jacque is just the Francophile in me yearning for a voice

edit: I will check out the suggestions for the drop outs and steerer!

As for the concerns over the low end wheels, I have a feeling these are possibly not stock as the hubs are not matching front and year. Yet the rims appear to be? Was this common practice?
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Didnt Raliegh have a lugged MTB? The link below is not the same but its a start.

https://www.ratrodbikes.com/forum/vie...p?f=16&t=24850
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I'm praying it's not a Raleigh because I couldn't be dealing with eccentric threads...
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+1, Exage Mountain with U-brake would put it circa 1988.
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Next bit of info after grime removal reveals that the rims are of a Rigida allow variety. No stampings on drops. Doesn't really help at all!

I'm about to remove the forks.

Edit: Scrap that. don't have an allen key the right size for the stem. I love being at uni and all but only have tools for exactly what you need on your real rig is killer!

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I can tell you that front wheel is not original. I can't see the rear hub to determine if the rear is.
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I'm praying it's not a Raleigh because I couldn't be dealing with eccentric threads...
I'd say if this was a Raleigh it's new enough to have standard threading on everything (I think)
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I was really beginning to think I was onto something with a '88 Peugot mountain bike. (Assumptions cause the rims are French and that ) Possibly a Canyon Express like in the photo on the link but the seat cluster lugs just don't match. Was there much if any regional difference with the Peugots?

https://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/s...nyon%20Express

Edit: After a bit of cleaning, the rear hub has revealed a small coat of arms styled engraving with the letters KK embossed. Believe it's a King Kong hub and looks pretty much identical to this.

Had a good feel and the front rim appears to be identical to the rear less the stickers. Horribly concave though...

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i suspect that when and if you find a pic of a mtb with a frame that is lugged, and has a pump peg on the headtube you've found your match.
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Damn! I'm obsessing. I got really close with the Peugots but was struck down by lack of little tubular rack mounts on the seat stays. Can anyone think of any other late 80's mtb manufacturers that used lugs?

Stressing!
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Well, this thread got me to thinking. With that in mind, I went to The Old Shed for a look at what I had in old mountain bikes. A GT Timberline, a small frame near mint Miyata Evolution, a Velo Sport (something or other with Deore grouppo), a Peugeot Nature with front suspension, a Rocky Mtn Hammer, and even a really old Nishiki. But only one mountain bicycle had lugs - my Tom Richey...


Guess what I am keeping my eye open for now? Actually, with old age comes the need for a different style of bike and the vintage mountain bicycle is becoming increasingly interesting.
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Damn! I'm obsessing. I got really close with the Peugots but was struck down by lack of little tubular rack mounts on the seat stays. Can anyone think of any other late 80's mtb manufacturers that used lugs?

Stressing!
I used to have a 1980's French "Emmelle" MTB with similar lugs, pump peg and rack mounts, but mine had alloy side pull callipers (like the BMX bikes of the era), rather than a U-nrake. Also no serial number I could ID. Sorry, no further forwarda!
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Emmelle seem to have been like an uncontrollable plague in the 80's in Edinburgh, so it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out to be one. As they don't really have any fanbase (understandablly.) it's hard to find information on them other than through looking at photos.

Wouldn't mind in the slightest if it turns out to be a Tom Ritchey mind you!

Cheers for all the help so far.
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A little late to answer but based on the lug work and componets my best guess would be a mid 80's Miyata or maybe Specialized. It is hard to tell since almost all of the lugged MTB/ATB to come out of Japan about that time looked similar.
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That seat cluster is rather distinctive and I can't say I've ever seen it. Pretty sure it's not Ritchey, Specialized or Miyata. Not Bianchi or Bridgestone either.

I guess that's all the olde MTB lugs I'm very familiar with.

Looks like a fun project!
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Also ruled out is Trek. They made many lugged MTBs but not with that seatstay treatment. They seem to have used either concave caps or a seat lug with sockets. They also often had "Trek" cast into the lug.
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I can't help with the identification, but I just wanted to say I loved this pic - the hue and accumulated road grime gives it the look of an underwater shot of a relic from the Titanic!

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That seat cluster is rather distinctive and I can't say I've ever seen it. Pretty sure it's not Ritchey, Specialized or Miyata. Not Bianchi or Bridgestone either.

I guess that's all the olde MTB lugs I'm very familiar with.

Looks like a fun project!
Well I can only think of one more with lugged frames Schwinn Sierria seiries.
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes
Didnt Raliegh have a lugged MTB? The link below is not the same but its a start.

https://www.ratrodbikes.com/forum/vie...p?f=16&t=24850
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Damn! I'm obsessing. I got really close with the Peugots but was struck down by lack of little tubular rack mounts on the seat stays. Can anyone think of any other late 80's mtb manufacturers that used lugs?

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I think almost everyone used luggs on their MTBs, ATBs and Hybrids up until the early '90s. My Bianchi Grizzly from '88 is lugged and I had a '89 Forte' that was lugged. it was just the way it was done until they realized they could build the cheaper and faster by Tig/Mig them together.
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