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buldogge 02-03-12 07:04 PM

Build Opinions?
 
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So...I finally scored a frame I've been looking for tonight.

It's a '92 Chesini Innovation.

It is being sold with a non-matching fork, chrome Columbus with Gipiemme dropouts...I have the option of buying the frame alone for $50 less, and save $10 on shipping.

Thoughts?

I would probably just run a full CF Time Equipe Pro Featherlight (with an aluminum insert I made) that I have sitting here.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=236016

gomango 02-03-12 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by buldogge (Post 13806433)
So...I finally scored a frame I've been looking for tonight.

It's a '92 Chesini Innovation.

It is being sold with a non-matching fork, chrome Columbus with Gipiemme dropouts...I have the option of buying the frame alone for $50 less, and save $10 on shipping.

Thoughts?

I would probably just run a full CF Time Equipe Pro Featherlight (with an aluminum insert I made) that I have sitting here.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=236016

First of all, congrats Mark.

Second of all, we need big, bright pics when you have a moment.

Third, I'd ride the Time, no doubt. That's a nice fork.

What are you going to build her with?

Or better yet, what Campy gruppo can we talk you into? :)

KonAaron Snake 02-03-12 07:14 PM

Yeah - the photos are making it tough to answer.

My gut is saying CF (assuming the rake matches), and here's why...

I find all chrome forks garish, especially when they're not original. Without chrome headlugs and/or chrome stays to balance it, it just looks out of place. If the fork isn't going to be original, get one that feels great...and I really like having a CF fork with a steel frame. If you don't have that combo, give it a try.

RobbieTunes 02-03-12 07:15 PM

I'm with Grady and Aaron.
1-That chrome fork looks really nice with mid-80's frames, like a Cilo, where the pedigree isn't stamped on the OEM.
2-If you plan to ride it, I'd go with the CF if you don't have the OEM fork. Give yourself the best you can put on it.
3-It's easier to pop wheelies with a lighter fork.

gomango 02-03-12 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 13806481)
I'm with Grady. It's easier to pop wheelies with a CF fork.

You should see Julia ride one on her Felt b2.

Now that's talent!

lostarchitect 02-03-12 07:19 PM

I dunno, I like all chrome forks, personally. You're never going to find an original fork for that bike, and I don't like the way CF forks look with steel frames... I'd get the chrome fork.

buldogge 02-03-12 07:19 PM

Pics will be awhile...it's coming from afar.

It can be built with Centaur 10 (silver, but CF or century blades) or Chorus 11...the Chorus is CF of course.

Wheels will be shared with others for now... A23/Chorus or DT Swiss/Superlights

-Mark


Originally Posted by gomango (Post 13806452)
First of all, congrats Mark.

Second of all, we need big, bright pics when you have a moment.

Third, I'd ride the Time, no doubt. That's a nice fork.

What are you going to build her with?

Or better yet, what Campy gruppo can we talk you into? :)


thirdgenbird 02-03-12 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by gomango (Post 13806452)
First of all, congrats Mark.

Second of all, we need big, bright pics when you have a moment.

Third, I'd ride the Time, no doubt. That's a nice fork.

What are you going to build her with?

Or better yet, what Campy gruppo can we talk you into? :)

i completely agree.

i am also interested in the alloy insert. think you can make one for an easton EC90sl w/ a 1in steerer?


Originally Posted by buldogge (Post 13806500)
Pics will be awhile...it's coming from afar.

It can be built with Centaur 10 (silver, but CF or century blades) or Chorus 11...the Chorus is CF of course.

Wheels will be shared with others for now... A23/Chorus or DT Swiss/Superlights

-Mark

i vote centaur if you go with a steel fork and chorus if you go carbon. i keep dreaming of putting my record 10 (full carbon) on an old steel frame with a carbon fork.

buldogge 02-03-12 07:24 PM

Aaron... The stays are chrome (1/2 seats, full chains)...but...I would rather find a Chesini fork, eventually.
If I'm gonna build it reasonably light then the CF does make the most sense.


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 13806478)
Yeah - the photos are making it tough to answer.

My gut is saying CF (assuming the rake matches), and here's why...

I find all chrome forks garish, especially when they're not original. Without chrome headlugs and/or chrome stays to balance it, it just looks out of place. If the fork isn't going to be original, get one that feels great...and I really like having a CF fork with a steel frame. If you don't have that combo, give it a try.


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 13806481)
I'm with Grady and Aaron.
1-That chrome fork looks really nice with mid-80's frames, like a Cilo, where the pedigree isn't stamped on the OEM.
2-If you plan to ride it, I'd go with the CF if you don't have the OEM fork. Give yourself the best you can put on it.
3-It's easier to pop wheelies with a lighter fork.

I never thought I'd find the frame...I might find a fork someday!

I would probably paint the CF fork to match/complement


Originally Posted by lostarchitect (Post 13806499)
I dunno, I like all chrome forks, personally. You're never going to find an original fork for that bike, and I don't like the way CF forks look with steel frames... I'd get the chrome fork.


KonAaron Snake 02-03-12 07:27 PM

That would help it work...it's tough to see details in the photo (and I stink at noticing detail as it is). I'd still go CF for the ride...especially if you haven't tried the combo before. I really, REALLY dig how my Serotta feels with the Alpha Q.

buldogge 02-03-12 07:27 PM

I could make another insert...but...I would need careful dimensions for steerer ID and length above headtube. If you wanted the type to knock a starnut into then it would be simpler...a threaded top section needs install heights/etc.


Originally Posted by thirdgenbird (Post 13806509)
i completely agree.

i am also interested in the alloy insert. think you can make one for an easton EC90sl w/ a 1in steerer?



i vote centaur if you go with a steel fork and chorus if you go carbon. i keep dreaming of putting my record 10 (full carbon) on an old steel frame with a carbon fork.


thirdgenbird 02-03-12 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by buldogge (Post 13806533)
I could make another insert...but...I would need careful dimensions for steerer ID and length above headtube. If you wanted the type to knock a starnut into then it would be simpler...a threaded top section needs install heights/etc.

i would want very thin aluminum. it would be for a threadless stem/compression plug setup. i can get an ID measurement using a set of calipers. i would think the ID is fairly consistent all the way down.

RobbieTunes 02-03-12 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by buldogge (Post 13806533)
I could make another insert...but...I would need careful dimensions for steerer ID and length above headtube. If you wanted the type to knock a starnut into then it would be simpler...a threaded top section needs install heights/etc.


Originally Posted by thirdgenbird (Post 13806637)
i would want very thin aluminum. it would be for a threadless stem/compression plug setup. i can get an ID measurement using a set of calipers. i would think the ID is fairly consistent all the way down.

Way over my head. Glad you guys are here to answer my questions.

ColonelJLloyd 02-03-12 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 13806654)
Way over my head. Glad you guys are here to answer my questions.

+1 Good to see you around, Mark! I'd go with carbon until you find an original fork.

buldogge 02-03-12 08:30 PM

This is where I'm leaning.

As far as the insert...it can be done (2) ways:

a)thin-walled tophat, open center, drive a starnut in.

b)thin-walled tophat with a solid recessed section about 20mm down threaded for the 6mm cap bolt...no starnut needed.


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 13806679)
+1 Good to see you around, Mark! I'd go with carbon until you find an original fork.


junkfoodjunkie 02-03-12 08:54 PM

I was looking on my phone earlier Mark. I would go CF painted to match, with that frame the crown on the fork does not match in my opinion. The original has more of a rounded aeroish crown right? I think a nice thin curved fork like the Time Equipe painted to match would be a great fit!

It seems like chrome forks are getting harder to come by, so it might not hurt to have it on hand.

Jake

buldogge 02-03-12 09:04 PM

800g of chrome delight.

Yeah, original fork is semi-sloping "crownless" with Chesini engraving, I believe.

Painted Time it is...I think I'll leave the extra 800g behind in Europe though.


Originally Posted by junkfoodjunkie (Post 13806857)
I was looking on my phone earlier Mark. I would go CF painted to match, with that frame the crown on the fork does not match in my opinion. The original has more of a rounded aeroish crown right? I think a nice thin curved fork like the Time Equipe painted to match would be a great fit!

It seems like chrome forks are getting harder to come by, so it might not hurt to have it on hand.

Jake


junkfoodjunkie 02-03-12 09:24 PM

Congrats on the score by the way! Great frame.
Is your friend still in need of a mirage campy freehub? I found and extra if he is.

Jake

KonAaron Snake 02-03-12 09:26 PM

You left out that it's EL OS! WELL PLAYED!

thirdgenbird 02-03-12 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 13806967)
You left out that it's EL OS! WELL PLAYED!

i love my ELOS frame :)

hueyhoolihan 02-03-12 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 13806478)
...and I really like having a CF fork with a steel frame. If you don't have that combo, give it a try.

i'm with you 100% on that.

i just lashed a time CF fork on my old '85 Trek and found it much to my liking. saved some weight too. i wish i was as impressed with my new all CF frame and fork. (my initial impressions were good, but like moving the furniture... it always looks good at first and then in a week you realize it's not.)

OP, i see, i think, that the frame is painted black. most CF forks are black and look pretty good on a black frame. mine does. of course it (mine that is) is just a common frame but you might want to mount the fork and "test drive" it a while...

BTW, i thought Chesini was an astromomer known for his discovery of the gaps in Saturn's rings... but i may be mistaken on that.

KonAaron Snake 02-03-12 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by thirdgenbird (Post 13806973)
i love my ELOS frame :)

+1

OH YEAH...Nivachrome goodness all the way.

buldogge 02-03-12 10:15 PM

Oh yeah... EL-OS.

Frame is blue with chrome stays and yellow/gold pantographing/engraving.

If the build goes Chorus 11 then I will probably use black saddle/tape/rims...If silver components then possibly white saddle/tape and silver rims. Perhaps yellow cabling to accentuate the pantos...perhaps white.

buldogge 02-03-12 10:16 PM

Hey Jake...He probably still needs it...let me know how much.


Originally Posted by junkfoodjunkie (Post 13806958)
Congrats on the score by the way! Great frame.
Is your friend still in need of a mirage campy freehub? I found and extra if he is.

Jake


thirdgenbird 02-03-12 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by buldogge (Post 13807146)
Oh yeah... EL-OS.

Frame is blue with chrome stays and yellow/gold pantographing/engraving.

If the build goes Chorus 11 then I will probably use black saddle/tape/rims...If silver components then possibly white saddle/tape and silver rims. Perhaps yellow cabling to accentuate the pantos...perhaps white.

you are speaking my language


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