C & V Weight Weenie-ism . . . What's Realistically Attainable? And If You Cheat?
02-10-12, 02:33 PM
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Please note, that although my 56cm 84 PSV has no Ti or CF parts on it, I did change out the entire drivetrain to Mavic 810 RD and matching FD/Stronglight 106 crank/close ratio Mailliard Super Plus 700 FW. I also changed out the BB to an Avocet that might be lighter than the original. My brake levers are open back Diacompe AGCs which are very light too (going to aero brake cable routing saves you a few grams with shorter cables and casings). Bars and stem were changed out to ITM and Cinelli 1A. Saddle's been changed to a Concor Supercorsa, then a Selle Italia Turbo, both lighter than the original "Mundialita" provided by Peugeot. My brake calipers are Spidel LS1s which might also be lighter than the original Weinmanns. All reflectors and other CPSC equipment were also removed. So, the bike's been through a lot of mods, including the light tubular wheelset, since I got it in 84. The replacement components are generally higher grade than what was original to the bike, but nothig really "exotic" and readily available back in the mid 80's.
I weigh my whole bikes on a digital hanging scale that I've calibrated against a medical balance scale I have access to. I also have a small digital kitchen scale for weighing components separately.
BTW, if you really want to get it as light as possible, Be sure not to miss things you can get off the bike like spoke guard disks and reflectors. Also look for hex headbolts on the bike you can replace with slightly lighter Allen headed ones......Every little thing counts but try not to make the bike unusable or maybe usafe by using the wrong materials at high stress areas. Frankly, that's what's holding me back from mounting a Ti spindled BB and Alloy FW on my two bikes, which would break the 17 and 19 pound barriers.....never mind the crazy money it takes to buy them.
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I weigh my whole bikes on a digital hanging scale that I've calibrated against a medical balance scale I have access to. I also have a small digital kitchen scale for weighing components separately.
BTW, if you really want to get it as light as possible, Be sure not to miss things you can get off the bike like spoke guard disks and reflectors. Also look for hex headbolts on the bike you can replace with slightly lighter Allen headed ones......Every little thing counts but try not to make the bike unusable or maybe usafe by using the wrong materials at high stress areas. Frankly, that's what's holding me back from mounting a Ti spindled BB and Alloy FW on my two bikes, which would break the 17 and 19 pound barriers.....never mind the crazy money it takes to buy them.
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The reason I ask is, I have a line on a complete group of Mavic bits and pieces - alas, from the early '90's, but I suppose I could sell/trade them for '80's vintage Mavic bits and pieces - and on some light tubular wheels. Enough to completely re-fit the PSVN, remove the "N", maybe get it down closer to 20 lb. But then . . . it wouldn't be "original".
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My 57cm Colnago Super flat crown fork and 1st gen Chorus components was 20.5 lbs ready to ride. With mostly Dura Ace 7700/7800, Thomson seat post, and a 3T Arx stem, a Kmc X10SL chain and different (but not light) wheels, ready to ride, the same bike weighed 19.8. When I switch to a newer Colnago Super in 55cm, the frameset was over a pound heavier with the same parts.
My Schwinn Peloton (same size) with almost the same parts, but a heavier chain, full CF fork, CF cages, and a slightly heavier seat post weighs 20.1 pounds, also ready to ride. That frame is a pig.
My Schwinn Peloton (same size) with almost the same parts, but a heavier chain, full CF fork, CF cages, and a slightly heavier seat post weighs 20.1 pounds, also ready to ride. That frame is a pig.
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this is my lightweight project built up only with period correct parts..
built by a very good german framebuilder (Claus Lauer) in the 80's with columbus sl tubes.
the complete bike weights 16,8 pounds.
Frame/Fork : Columbus SL
Stem/Handlebar : 3ttt /Superleggera
Brakeset/ Cable housing : CLB Professionnel
Crankset/BB : Stronglight 105bis 48/40 drilled
Rear derailleur : Campagnolo SR
Front " : Campagnolo NR
Shift Levers : Campagnolo
Chain : Regina Extra Superleggera
Freewheel: Maillard course Dural 6 sp
Wheelset: Mavic 500 hubs and Monthlery Pro rims 28 Hole
Tyres: Vittoria corsa cx
Seatpost : Gipiemme
Saddle : Super Contour Royal with magnesium rails
Pedals : Campagnolo SR titan axle
Headset: Campagnolo SR
more photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/5280146...th/5756277297/
built by a very good german framebuilder (Claus Lauer) in the 80's with columbus sl tubes.
the complete bike weights 16,8 pounds.
Frame/Fork : Columbus SL
Stem/Handlebar : 3ttt /Superleggera
Brakeset/ Cable housing : CLB Professionnel
Crankset/BB : Stronglight 105bis 48/40 drilled
Rear derailleur : Campagnolo SR
Front " : Campagnolo NR
Shift Levers : Campagnolo
Chain : Regina Extra Superleggera
Freewheel: Maillard course Dural 6 sp
Wheelset: Mavic 500 hubs and Monthlery Pro rims 28 Hole
Tyres: Vittoria corsa cx
Seatpost : Gipiemme
Saddle : Super Contour Royal with magnesium rails
Pedals : Campagnolo SR titan axle
Headset: Campagnolo SR
more photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/5280146...th/5756277297/
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Getting a bit off-topic, when you have a one-owner PSV, do you feel at all conflicted about changing out all the componentry? Do you keep the original Weimann, Stronglight, and Simplex bits carefully wrapped up so that you can return the bike to "stock" someday? Or is that not really a consideration?
The reason I ask is, I have a line on a complete group of Mavic bits and pieces - alas, from the early '90's, but I suppose I could sell/trade them for '80's vintage Mavic bits and pieces - and on some light tubular wheels. Enough to completely re-fit the PSVN, remove the "N", maybe get it down closer to 20 lb. But then . . . it wouldn't be "original".
The reason I ask is, I have a line on a complete group of Mavic bits and pieces - alas, from the early '90's, but I suppose I could sell/trade them for '80's vintage Mavic bits and pieces - and on some light tubular wheels. Enough to completely re-fit the PSVN, remove the "N", maybe get it down closer to 20 lb. But then . . . it wouldn't be "original".
As for putting on an early 90's group on a PSV. Personally, I'd prefer the 80's Mavic group on the bike as the 80's Mavic group tha included a fluted crank (not the starfish) and a straight parrallelogram RD that seems to complement the lugged frame and fork of the PSV, perfectly. But if you require indexed or brifter shifting, then I think that it's more than enough reason to go with a later group like you have. It comes down to weighing which is more imprtant to you. Ultimate functionality or period correct C&V aesthetics.
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I have a 14.8 lb 58-cm Teledyne Titan. Could get it even lighter if I wanted to shell out for a titanium freewheel and chain.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/3639739...57624728935639
I've since replaced most of the original (heavy) Campagnolo components with period-correct weight weenie stuff...Jubilee derailleurs, drilled-out crank, ultralight brakes, etc. Luckily I had an proto-weight weenie adviser to provide suggestions for a period-correct build.
I mostly just look at it because it still has the titanium fork of death, but I have taken it out for some careful rides and it's a lot of fun. Enough so that I might replace the fork so I can take it for some real rides.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/3639739...57624728935639
I've since replaced most of the original (heavy) Campagnolo components with period-correct weight weenie stuff...Jubilee derailleurs, drilled-out crank, ultralight brakes, etc. Luckily I had an proto-weight weenie adviser to provide suggestions for a period-correct build.
I mostly just look at it because it still has the titanium fork of death, but I have taken it out for some careful rides and it's a lot of fun. Enough so that I might replace the fork so I can take it for some real rides.
02-10-12, 03:54 PM
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IMHO 19-20 is 'light weight' and can reasonably achieved with proper parts selection at reasonable pricing.
To me 'weight weenie' implies you'll have problems with durability if a reasonably fit rider of reasonable weight hammers hard.
To me 'weight weenie' implies you'll have problems with durability if a reasonably fit rider of reasonable weight hammers hard.
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Dang!, will a set of CLB brake cables with wound aluminum housing finally get me over the hump to weeniedom but maybe not kill myself??!
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More for reference of stock bikes.
I had the LBS throw my 83 Fuji Opus III on their scale.
It was missing its original crank. I put a mid 90's 105SC crank including a bottom bracket. Has period correct peddles but missing the toe clips. Original hubs laced to Mavic GP4's and Original 1st gen Superbe derailleurs. Catalog lists it 21lb. Does not specify a frame size but the "Medium" size is usually what they list so it was a 55cm or 58cm more then likely. I assume it included peddles.
Mine is a 61cm frame and the LBS Wrench was pretty impressed when it scaled at 21.4. It would be my guess the mid 90's 105 Crank and BB were lighter then the Super Mighty and the Suntour BB it came with. The 84 was listed at 20.5 with Superbe cranks and second Gen Superbe derailleurs
I'll get my 83 Trek 730 scaled next time I am up there. It has period correct parts, many are Super Campy with Cyclone 6000 Derailleurs and crank. It feels close to the same as the Opus. Maybe a bit more on the rear but I have a lower quality freewheel on it with better hill gears. 60cm.
The 61cm Raleigh thats not a Raleigh that I believe to be late 80's with Campy drops, Campy high flange hubs, Gran Compe brakes, Megarange freewheel, Super Maxy cranks, 600 Arabesque derailleurs with Weinmann Concave front rim and MA 40 rear and heavy 27x1 1/4 Hutchins tires was right at 24lb
For contrast to modern. I have a 98 63cm Cannondale R300 frame whats built up as a R1000si (but the R300 frame would be heavier then a real R1000) with Campy Proton wheels wearing Conti 4000's, Ultegra drivetrain, Look delta peddles and carbon fork is 22.4.
I had the LBS throw my 83 Fuji Opus III on their scale.
It was missing its original crank. I put a mid 90's 105SC crank including a bottom bracket. Has period correct peddles but missing the toe clips. Original hubs laced to Mavic GP4's and Original 1st gen Superbe derailleurs. Catalog lists it 21lb. Does not specify a frame size but the "Medium" size is usually what they list so it was a 55cm or 58cm more then likely. I assume it included peddles.
Mine is a 61cm frame and the LBS Wrench was pretty impressed when it scaled at 21.4. It would be my guess the mid 90's 105 Crank and BB were lighter then the Super Mighty and the Suntour BB it came with. The 84 was listed at 20.5 with Superbe cranks and second Gen Superbe derailleurs
I'll get my 83 Trek 730 scaled next time I am up there. It has period correct parts, many are Super Campy with Cyclone 6000 Derailleurs and crank. It feels close to the same as the Opus. Maybe a bit more on the rear but I have a lower quality freewheel on it with better hill gears. 60cm.
The 61cm Raleigh thats not a Raleigh that I believe to be late 80's with Campy drops, Campy high flange hubs, Gran Compe brakes, Megarange freewheel, Super Maxy cranks, 600 Arabesque derailleurs with Weinmann Concave front rim and MA 40 rear and heavy 27x1 1/4 Hutchins tires was right at 24lb
For contrast to modern. I have a 98 63cm Cannondale R300 frame whats built up as a R1000si (but the R300 frame would be heavier then a real R1000) with Campy Proton wheels wearing Conti 4000's, Ultegra drivetrain, Look delta peddles and carbon fork is 22.4.
02-10-12, 06:25 PM
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this is my lightweight project built up only with period correct parts..
built by a very good german framebuilder (Claus Lauer) in the 80's with columbus sl tubes.
the complete bike weights 16,8 pounds.
Frame/Fork : Columbus SL
Stem/Handlebar : 3ttt /Superleggera
Brakeset/ Cable housing : CLB Professionnel
Crankset/BB : Stronglight 105bis 48/40 drilled
Rear derailleur : Campagnolo SR
Front " : Campagnolo NR
Shift Levers : Campagnolo
Chain : Regina Extra Superleggera
Freewheel: Maillard course Dural 6 sp
Wheelset: Mavic 500 hubs and Monthlery Pro rims 28 Hole
Tyres: Vittoria corsa cx
Seatpost : Gipiemme
Saddle : Super Contour Royal with magnesium rails
Pedals : Campagnolo SR titan axle
Headset: Campagnolo SR
more photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/5280146...th/5756277297/
built by a very good german framebuilder (Claus Lauer) in the 80's with columbus sl tubes.
the complete bike weights 16,8 pounds.
Frame/Fork : Columbus SL
Stem/Handlebar : 3ttt /Superleggera
Brakeset/ Cable housing : CLB Professionnel
Crankset/BB : Stronglight 105bis 48/40 drilled
Rear derailleur : Campagnolo SR
Front " : Campagnolo NR
Shift Levers : Campagnolo
Chain : Regina Extra Superleggera
Freewheel: Maillard course Dural 6 sp
Wheelset: Mavic 500 hubs and Monthlery Pro rims 28 Hole
Tyres: Vittoria corsa cx
Seatpost : Gipiemme
Saddle : Super Contour Royal with magnesium rails
Pedals : Campagnolo SR titan axle
Headset: Campagnolo SR
more photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/5280146...th/5756277297/
02-10-12, 06:43 PM
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It looks like it can even lose a few more grams here and there if the owner really wants to. Maybe a Stronglight A9 headset might be lighter than the SR installed?...Aero brake cable routing?
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One factor was extremely thin-wall tubing - 0.3 mm wall thickness, when classic 531 dB is 0.5, and Columbus SL is 0.6. If the rest of the design was similarly audacious, saving 4# give or take doesn't seem so surprising.
02-10-12, 06:58 PM
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Here's a question:
What was lightest production bike (ready to ride, off the rack, retail) that you could buy in 1986? You know, amongst the major manufacturers. Even the made to order Panasonic TIs seemed to tip the scale at 20lbs. I don't think Paramounts got much lighter than that, according to the catalogs anyway. 18? was that a magic number?
What was lightest production bike (ready to ride, off the rack, retail) that you could buy in 1986? You know, amongst the major manufacturers. Even the made to order Panasonic TIs seemed to tip the scale at 20lbs. I don't think Paramounts got much lighter than that, according to the catalogs anyway. 18? was that a magic number?
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My bikes range from 1981 to 1989, and based on my bathroom scale, 20.0 to 24.0 lbs.
The scale measures in .5 increments, and rounds up a .3 per the instructions.
My Ironman Carbon makes the scale flutter at 20.0, so I'd bet it's a bit under 20.
I'm aware of weight, but don't avoid things that may be heavy and don't go nuts buying light stuff.
I think you can shave off 2-3 lbs in a rebuild, but you'd need to be patient and willing to spend money if you stay C&V on parts.
If weight is what you're concerned with, it can be done. If speed is what you're concerned with, weight it generally not the issue.
The scale measures in .5 increments, and rounds up a .3 per the instructions.
My Ironman Carbon makes the scale flutter at 20.0, so I'd bet it's a bit under 20.
I'm aware of weight, but don't avoid things that may be heavy and don't go nuts buying light stuff.
I think you can shave off 2-3 lbs in a rebuild, but you'd need to be patient and willing to spend money if you stay C&V on parts.
If weight is what you're concerned with, it can be done. If speed is what you're concerned with, weight it generally not the issue.
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I just re-weighed both my 56cm 1984 Peugeot PSV and my 52cm 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7 on my digital scale tonight to chime into this discussion.
The PSV with all period appropriate components, except for the Look Keo Classic pedcals, came in at 19.5 pounds. It seems to have gained a little bit from the last weigh in I did (at 19.25) as it's currently wearing Mavic GL330 wheels and Vittoria Rally tires which is heavier than the GEL280 wheels with Schwalbe Milano tires I had mounted back then. I also have the heavier Turbo saddle on the bike instead of the Concor saddle I had on last time. Needless to say, a not so small size 1980's steel bike with one of the ligthest steel tubesets from that time can be brought down to below 20# without any exotic parts (Zero Ti on my bike). With a Ti railed saddle, an alloy FW, a Ti spindled BB, and a lighter wheelset, I could get this baby below 19# easy!
My Vitus Carbone is presently at 17.25# (17.15 the last time I weighed it.) right now after I just changed over to the leather Berthoud Galibier Ti railed saddle that added a few grams since last time and the VO stainless steel water bottle cage replacing a Blackburn cage. Other than the TI rails on my saddle and the light Keo Classic pedals, the Carbone also does not have any other exotic parts on it other than maybe the very weenie, but definitely period 32H GEL280 wheelset. So it gives you an idea on how light you can practically make an 80's CF bike.
So with no fudging and cheating, those are the latest numbers for my steel and CF 80's bikes weighed at least 4 times to assure accuracy.
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The PSV with all period appropriate components, except for the Look Keo Classic pedcals, came in at 19.5 pounds. It seems to have gained a little bit from the last weigh in I did (at 19.25) as it's currently wearing Mavic GL330 wheels and Vittoria Rally tires which is heavier than the GEL280 wheels with Schwalbe Milano tires I had mounted back then. I also have the heavier Turbo saddle on the bike instead of the Concor saddle I had on last time. Needless to say, a not so small size 1980's steel bike with one of the ligthest steel tubesets from that time can be brought down to below 20# without any exotic parts (Zero Ti on my bike). With a Ti railed saddle, an alloy FW, a Ti spindled BB, and a lighter wheelset, I could get this baby below 19# easy!
My Vitus Carbone is presently at 17.25# (17.15 the last time I weighed it.) right now after I just changed over to the leather Berthoud Galibier Ti railed saddle that added a few grams since last time and the VO stainless steel water bottle cage replacing a Blackburn cage. Other than the TI rails on my saddle and the light Keo Classic pedals, the Carbone also does not have any other exotic parts on it other than maybe the very weenie, but definitely period 32H GEL280 wheelset. So it gives you an idea on how light you can practically make an 80's CF bike.
So with no fudging and cheating, those are the latest numbers for my steel and CF 80's bikes weighed at least 4 times to assure accuracy.
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Ok, I just weighed my bikes on the digital bathroom scale using myself as a tare - not going into the calculation! Masi with its original (as delivered to me) Laser saddle and tubulars weighs 20.8#.
Mondonico with a Selle Anatomica and a deep-setback seatpost weighs 22.0. I have use a Thomson with a Toupe as well, and I think those would take perhaps 3/4 pound off the Masi and perhaps 2# off the Mondonico. They're both in range of a flat 20#. These are both with pedals: Campy NR Superleggero Strada with toeclips/straps for the Masi, and Campy C-record Strada platform with toeclips/straps for the Mondonico.
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Back when I was into riding mountain bikes fast, and after front suspension was mainstream, the "magic number" for a really lightweight hardtail was 22 lbs. An equal bike without the front suspension would weigh about 20 lbs. Anything much lighter than that and you'd be concerned about it staying in one piece off road. A really light mtb with a modern frame and no suspension can be well down into the teens, weight-wise.
So the only time I've ever really been a "weight weenie" (i.e, concerned about bike weight a lot) was with mountain bikes, not road bikes, ironically. Although very recently, I've acquired my first full carbon road bike, and it weighs sixteen and change, ready to ride. A bike that light is a different kind of ride than a very nice 19-20 lb. steel road bike, such as my Pinarello. They're both super nice, but the three pound weight difference is noticeable.
So the only time I've ever really been a "weight weenie" (i.e, concerned about bike weight a lot) was with mountain bikes, not road bikes, ironically. Although very recently, I've acquired my first full carbon road bike, and it weighs sixteen and change, ready to ride. A bike that light is a different kind of ride than a very nice 19-20 lb. steel road bike, such as my Pinarello. They're both super nice, but the three pound weight difference is noticeable.
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Here's a question:
What was lightest production bike (ready to ride, off the rack, retail) that you could buy in 1986? You know, amongst the major manufacturers. Even the made to order Panasonic TIs seemed to tip the scale at 20lbs. I don't think Paramounts got much lighter than that, according to the catalogs anyway. 18? was that a magic number?
What was lightest production bike (ready to ride, off the rack, retail) that you could buy in 1986? You know, amongst the major manufacturers. Even the made to order Panasonic TIs seemed to tip the scale at 20lbs. I don't think Paramounts got much lighter than that, according to the catalogs anyway. 18? was that a magic number?
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/...00-carbon-1986
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I shaved 5 lbs from my combined bike/rider weight by eating a little less for a couple weeks. It was actually cheaper than not saving the weight because I spent less on food.
02-12-12, 12:55 AM
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Okay, finally I have a little time to elaborate on the 23.02 weight on the Fuji Ace.
Avocet Touring saddle
Stock Dura Ace FD, cranks (52/47)brakes, and Crane RD
Cup and cone solid spindle BB. Might swap for a hollow axle cartridge type I have on the Club Fuji.
Brand New MKS Touring pedals( full alloy rat trap) With thick leather straps(Summit) Alloy MKS toe clips in the mail.. I might try some nylon straps.
Campy Record hubs 36H laced to Mavic dark ano tubular rims. Tires are Servizio Corse from Yellow Jersey.
I have no doubt I could get it to mid 22's with trying hard at all
Avocet Touring saddle
Stock Dura Ace FD, cranks (52/47)brakes, and Crane RD
Cup and cone solid spindle BB. Might swap for a hollow axle cartridge type I have on the Club Fuji.
Brand New MKS Touring pedals( full alloy rat trap) With thick leather straps(Summit) Alloy MKS toe clips in the mail.. I might try some nylon straps.
Campy Record hubs 36H laced to Mavic dark ano tubular rims. Tires are Servizio Corse from Yellow Jersey.
I have no doubt I could get it to mid 22's with trying hard at all
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you said we could cheat. right?
so my six speed 1979 trek 710 that was sold as frame and fork weighs 17.0 lbs. no front derailleur or cable or housing or shifter or unnecessary second chainring and no rear brake or cable ,etc.
weight includes boat anchor brooks pro which weighs about 1lb 3oz. all by itself!!!!
most parts are vintage shimano 600, including hubs. the rest of the stuff is from the 80's.
so my six speed 1979 trek 710 that was sold as frame and fork weighs 17.0 lbs. no front derailleur or cable or housing or shifter or unnecessary second chainring and no rear brake or cable ,etc.
weight includes boat anchor brooks pro which weighs about 1lb 3oz. all by itself!!!!
most parts are vintage shimano 600, including hubs. the rest of the stuff is from the 80's.
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I just built up a Australian made custom frame it's Columbus SL, Cinelli BB, campy drops. I did a 1980 build with all Suntour Superbe, it's got Record hubs Ambrosio tubs. The only new bits a Concor saddle and new diacompe hoods, clark cables, fizik tape. Weight 20.3 lbs.
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......plus a lot of exotic parts. Just the alloy FW alone must have saved a pound or more......then there's the Ti axled pedals and the 100 gram/per caliper CLB pros......
It looks like it can even lose a few more grams here and there if the owner really wants to. Maybe a Stronglight A9 headset might be lighter than the SR installed?...Aero brake cable routing?
Chombi
It looks like it can even lose a few more grams here and there if the owner really wants to. Maybe a Stronglight A9 headset might be lighter than the SR installed?...Aero brake cable routing?
Chombi
but using ONLY the lightest parts wasn't the plan for the bike so i decided pro shifting performance against 100gr of saving weight.
what i want to change is the bottom bracket (i need a stronglight titan BB, if somebody have one just mail me) and the seatpost, that should save about 200gr. and then i'm really happy.
you can build very light bikes with Vitus frames, this one weights 17,6 pounds without having any part of it on the scale
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Here's a question:
What was lightest production bike (ready to ride, off the rack, retail) that you could buy in 1986? You know, amongst the major manufacturers. Even the made to order Panasonic TIs seemed to tip the scale at 20lbs. I don't think Paramounts got much lighter than that, according to the catalogs anyway. 18? was that a magic number?
What was lightest production bike (ready to ride, off the rack, retail) that you could buy in 1986? You know, amongst the major manufacturers. Even the made to order Panasonic TIs seemed to tip the scale at 20lbs. I don't think Paramounts got much lighter than that, according to the catalogs anyway. 18? was that a magic number?
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My 1986 team Fuji is all stock. It is all Suntour Sprint. I used the average of 3 bathroom scale weights. It weighed in at 22.8 lbs. Those Nashbar MTB pedals are heavy. I could probably shave some weight there. The wheels are 36 hole with straight gauge spokes. The seat isn't too bad. It was a spare I had laying around.
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It would be fun to do the same type of competition as the French constructeurs. Only use bikes already built. Strip them down as light as possible, then put them through the same trials.