This Miele is buggin me
 

So I picked up this Miele from a sketchy pawn shop mainly cause I wanted the wheelset and some other crap on the bike for commuting. But I am wondering what the frame is, material wise. I don't think it is anything special, but without a tubing decal I am lost. Plus, there is a 26.6 size seat post in there, which I am pretty sure doesn't belong. If it does it certainly moves around a lot when the binder is torqued. Any of you got any ideas what model it was? Most of the components seem original and they list as follows;

-brakes, levers, cranks, and shifting are suntour cyclone 7000
-da rims are "Miele by ambrosio" (they look like anodized 19 extra elite durex), laced to sansin hubs (which I thought were anodized gold until I cleaned them, turns out they were just real dirty)
-steel yst? headset
-cinelli bars, i don't know what model, giro d'italia maybe
-some ofmega pedals, and an unmarked stem



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The paint is kinda cool, but not really my cup of tea. Looks kinda like granite. Other than the stickers, there is no identifying marks on this bike, well except for the word cicli, which I assume is Canadian for bicycle.

Miele came out of eastern canada made buy guy(s) of Italian decent the seatube is most probably a 27.2

Cicli is the model name, probably Ishiwata tubing, +1 27.2 seat post . They are nice bikes !

Edit: Oops, one too many beers last night . Oh well, guess I need to brush up on my Italian and my (little) knowledge of vintage bikes !
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could be columbus steel...quality parts and the frame most likely is to....imo

Yeah, I am hoping it is ishiwata tubing, or maybe columbus. Cicli isn't the model name though, it is just eye-talin for cycle. I just find it funny that it says that on a bicycle which also says made in Canada. I guess it was my attempt at humour.

I got it! :D

Bike looks pretty nice. Seat tube might be messed up now if it was clamped down on an undersized seatpost. May need some careful surgury to make it right.

Jim Miele had his people building bikes out a variety of tubesets (even the same model a year or two apart seemingly varied in some cases), so without the sticker, it could be tricky. I've seen bikes around this level (judging by the components) made out of Tange 2 and out of Columbus Cromor, and I know they did their high-end models in SL, etc.

Is that a Cinelli XA stem? You say it's unmarked, no logo on the front? Would have to be a Cinelli, I would think, with the proprietary clamp size, given that it has an older Cinelli bar. And I've seen a number of late-80s Mieles with XAs.

Any evidence of a serial number? They don't necessarily have one (my ~1987 Lupa doesn't, from what I can tell), and it may be elsewhere than the bottom of the BB shell. Tmar is interested in serial numbers for these bikes, and has proven impressively knowledgeable about the model range and equipment in previous posts regarding Miele cycles. Myself, I wouldn't venture a guess. Certainly a nice bike, and likely a good tubeset, though.

Have a look at this Miele Catalog and see if there is anything similar.

Looks like the one I fixed up for my husband but with Suntour instead of Shimano.

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The 'Delta' listed in the catalog is Suntour Cyclone equipped, Ishiwata tubes, and a "Criterium" forged alloy stem that rather looks like the one in the picture (and a bit like an XA). Good lead.

The presence of SunTour Cyclone 7000 would limit this to 1987 or 1988 but the paint job is not from that era. Either the components aren't OEM or it's a repaint. I certainly wouldn't rule out the latter, given the ready availability of Miele decals. It would also explain the lack of a tubing decal. I don't know if it's the camera angle or not, but the pics makes it look like the forks have been pulled back out from a crash, as they appear to have been pulled too far, with the blades having a shallower angle than the head tube.

Miele had a Cyclone 7000 equipped model called the Delta in 1987. There was no Cyclone 7000 spec'd model in 1988. The frame was Tange #2, which typically uses a 26.8mm post, possibly larger if the shop personnel were heavy handed during the honing/reaming operation.

I always thought they were nice bikes. I vote for this one

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Except that the pictured bicycle is a pre-1987 model with friction Cyclone. The OP's bicycle has Cyclone 7000 which was AccuShift and came out in 1987.

I'd guess it's not Columbus (from my experience with Miele...) here are two of my miele frames (for reference...) the first is Tange Cro-Mo with all shimano 600 and the second is higher end with Columbus SL... note the engravings in the frame (it had all campy and was built with a Colnago Fork...)

edit: +1 for the 27.2
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From what i know some miele were built by colnago, actually are pretty under rated bikes and I have not seen a single one that you can't tell is not italian racing geometry. Like them way better than some trek and specialized from the same era, better finishing and way more racy looking even in the low end models.

Anybody has one of this frames to give away like in 55?? :D

As for the OP, you have to measure, to have a caliper at home is mandatory but depending on the tubing could be 27.2, 27 or 26.8 (japanese tubing is 26.8).

Enjoy the bike :)

I am going to offer this top of the line, special issue Italian built Miele for sale or trade soon. I have had this bike for quite a while and it is a cut above. I recently got an email, from a fellow who worked for Miele when my bike was made, and he has one just like it. This is what he told me and I edited the piece for punctuation and spelling. I also edited out any personal information pertaining to the sender.

I found what he had to say to be very interesting and fortifies my understanding that I did indeed have a team issued frame set. Here is the email...

Hi,

Just read your Miele 17 section, and wanted to shed some light on its origin. I was involved with Jim Miele's operation back in the mid-eighties, and purchased the same bicycle you got, which I still have. Jim Miele was an importer of mostly Japan made bikes, labelled Bianchi and later Miele, for the Canadian market. In 1986, he decided to have a racing team based out of the Toronto area, and Commissioned the Italian builder Pogliaghi to build his team bikes.

Pogliaghi was a world renowned frame builder, with its heyday in the late 60s . After Sante Pogliaghi's retirement, the workshop was sold to Rossin from Italy, a mid-size manufacturer, who continued to market Pogliaghi bikes. Your frame comes from this era. The trademark features, peculiar to Pogliaghis of this generation are the modified fastback seat lug and the round fork blades, from the track Pogliaghis. Tubing is Columbus SL except for the down tube, an SP tube with 1mm added thickness . Miele wanted a robust, no-nonsense bike that could withstand racing, falls, and rough handling by amateur racers. This is why the styling of the frame is different than mass-produced Mieles.

Hope this helps,

Montreal

Thought that you might find some of that interesting and I wouldn't mind learning more, if I could.

Thanks for the posts and the help peoples. I usually know what I am buying, so this has been kinda fun. I feel like Nancy Drew. I took a few more fotos in case some of you can identify tubing based on bridges and lugs (I know I certainly can't). I ripped it all apart, and there is no serial number or identify marks, although the corroded seat post binder says chromo. I guess at least I know that that is chromoly. The fork says Lung and made in Tawian, so I am guessing that Hsin Lung made it. The frame is 27.2, but I am still looking for my cold setting seatpost screwdriver to smash and mallet that cavity back into its former size. Mandatory or not, calipers are not that useful in getting accurate readings when metal parts have gone through trauma and are out of round.

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Very unique paint job there! The mount for the rear brake is different from the one on my white miele above with a cromo Tange frame.

How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking? I'm in Toronto so I'm always curious about prices for bikes in the area. Which pawn shop was it?

I paid 120 from a pawn shop in Brampton, so not the most bike friendly place in the world. I really just wanted the wheels and the suntour stuff, so I am happy with that. But I don't like the ambiguity of buying from pawn shop people, rather than from the previous owner or from someone I trust. I don't think I will do it again.

cicli is not Canadian
 

"cicli" Canadian?
Neither English or French Canadian. It's Italian.
Meile produced a wide range of bikes. Medium to very good. I own one type that was made in Italy by a company that produced Colnago.
Probably low end Colnago. My Marinoni rides much nicer.

poor fellow :(

Just a heads up, I started a thread dedicated to any High End Miele Road bikes that are still out there... if anybody has a high end one It would be great to post some pics and then we can compare...

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...0#post13862090

thanks!

I am reviving an old thread but at least putting some new information out there...I just bought an identical Miele this past weekend with all the same Suntour 7000 parts, sanshin hubs, unmarked seatpost and stem. The handlebars are Hsin Lung and paint job is identical. The tube sticker is Ishiwata 022. No model of the bike at all, I owned a Miele when I was in high school, I remember it was called Aszora or Asora/Azora if my memory serves me correct. My bike is in great condition, I do like the paint job, very different for bikes of that era.