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Old 02-17-12, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
But seriously, with all the modern cf bikes on the road you'd think you'd here about people getting their man parts ripped more often. I've never heard of it happening.
Most of the folks I see riding around on modern CF bikes seem to be inordinately fascinated with pink skinsuits and matching accessories. So I'm figuring "man parts" don't generally enter into the equation.
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Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
Or if your juevos are made of brass...

But seriously, with all the modern cf bikes on the road you'd think you'd here about people getting their man parts ripped more often. I've never heard of it happening.
Well, I prefer to keep my junk intact. Even if there seems to be a very low failure rate, I'm not going to be a test case by any means... Steel or alloy (to a point) will bend, CF will snap. Given the choices I'd rather deal with something a little heavier that will bend under stress, than to take a chance with impaling my anal orifice or my junk on sharp CF shards!

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Old 02-17-12, 12:15 PM
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Aluminum doesn't bend very well - and is plenty sharp after you prove it.
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Old 02-17-12, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
Or if your juevos are made of brass...

But seriously, with all the modern cf bikes on the road you'd think you'd here about people getting their man parts ripped more often. I've never heard of it happening.
You mean you never heard of "C3"??... Cycling Carbon Conspiracy....
A media control consortium organized by Chinese CF cyclo parts and accessory producers tasked with the job to whitewash or delete any negative reports about CF asplosion incidents around the world!!

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Old 02-17-12, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Agreed on the difficulty to find a road Nagasawa.

Here's a nice track frame if it fits you though.

https://hampco.blogspot.com/2012/02/frames.html

Nice! I like the Herse and the Singer too (that are for sale there). If that Singer were just a tad smaller.....
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Old 02-17-12, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Puget Pounder View Post
here is a new one: carbon-wrapped aluminum. I mean, who are you fooling here?
The Stetina brothers did OK with frames made out of it....
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Old 02-17-12, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
Aluminum doesn't bend very well - and is plenty sharp after you prove it.
Forged aluminum alloys will bend - sometimes an astonishing amount, actually. I'll take a forged aluminum seat post over a plastic one anyday! Forged aluminum crank arms can also bend sometimes, and I'll take a set of those over any CNC'ed-from-billet-aluminum cranks anyday too....

That said, I avoid aluminum frames and forks like the plague....
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Old 02-17-12, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Excellent point. I plain just riding a bike. It's fun. I'll dink that koolaid evertday.
Allez!
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Old 02-17-12, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 753proguy View Post
That said, I avoid aluminum frames and forks like the plague....
Funny you posted that because that's exactly the Kool Aid I'm not drinking!

I like aluminum frames and I don't buy into the popular C&V thinking that they are somehow not very worthy...
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Old 02-17-12, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
Well, I prefer to keep my junk intact. Even if there seems to be a very low failure rate, I'm not going to be a test case by any means... Steel or alloy (to a point) will bend, CF will snap. Given the choices I'd rather deal with something a little heavier that will bend under stress, than to take a chance with impaling my anal orifice or my junk on sharp CF shards!
I'll keep you apprised of the status of my junk.
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Old 02-17-12, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
I'll keep you apprised of the status of my junk.
Nah, no need to do that. I have enough difficulty keeping apprised of the status of my own junk!
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Old 02-17-12, 01:10 PM
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Carbon fiber frames, forks, seatposts, handlebars, cages, cranks ... the notion that carbon is the only worthy material for a modern bike.
650B wheels and tires.
Disc brakes for road bikes.
Oversized bars and stems.

Truth be told, most of the Kool Aid "innovations" are useful to someone. It just gets annoying when they reach fad status, or manufacturers/stores start phasing out perfectly good products to replace them with more expensive and less durable replacements. On the other hand, some of the items listed here by others are some of my favorite products -- canti brakes, KoolStop pads, VO products, canvas saddlebags.
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Old 02-17-12, 02:19 PM
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The only thing keeping me from drinking more Kool-Aid is lack of funds. Seriously, I'd like to try everything-- I definitely have my favorites, but I don't think there's anything I actively dislike, given the right circumstances. Sure, a lot of stuff is overhyped, but that's part of the fun-- where would we be if everything about biking was totally rational?
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Old 02-17-12, 02:50 PM
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I read part of the thread and then just skipped here to the end. For me:

Raleigh's: don't understand the appeal and value some get on Ebay. I have seen a number of them over the years with poor lug work and out of wack rear ends. Was everyone drunk at Raleigh making these things?
Aluminum bikes-I will never own an aluminum bike again.
gas pipe-life is too short to ride gas pipe. Decent japanese made double butted chromoly frames/bikes are not expensive or hard to find. I know you can save a Varsitienal, but why would you?
clip and strap pedals-clipless is so much better
balloon tired, middle weights, krates, stringrays, etc. Are you 10? I want a bike I can ride at 6'6" I am not riding a kids bike, or a boat anchor.
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Old 02-17-12, 03:57 PM
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I can't believe I just read this entire thread.

When i was a kid my mom used to make kool-aid up using only a fraction of the amount of sugar the packet suggested. I never knew the difference until I had some at a buddies house and nearly gagged from how sweet it was.

Anyways, I'll take a couple swings.

Patina - Yea I have a bike in my stable and another currently in work on the stand with lovely "patina". It just means that I did not want to take the time and effort to strip the chipped and rusted finish an repaint. So saying my bike has nice patina is akin to admitting "I am a lazy s.o.b willing to ride a bke with a half-assed finish."

Period Correctness and/or building a bike up to original specs - Nothing wrong with this, but i'm not partaking. I'm all for optimizing functionality, without spending a kings ransom, and if that means hanging a mixture of SR, Shimano, Dia-Compe, and Campy bits on a Bianchi frame and fork set, so be it. Did I mention the frameset has beautiful Patina . The original brakes had so much Patina they were worthless, and why the hell would I want to reuse the 6 speed Regina freewheel that it took me 2 stops to find a shop with the correct tool to take it off only to find that the inner race on the hub of the original wheel was completely destroyed.

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Old 02-17-12, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
Especially carbon seatposts!! Imagine one of those shattering and taking out your junk. I don't want ANY PART of that Kool-Aid!
The thing doesn't make sense about this argument, is that there's almost no way you would be sitting hard enough on the saddle of a road bike for that to happen. Seriously. I've broken three seat posts (all aluminum). Never once has that breakage even meant that I started to fall.

The thing is, if you suddenly break the seat post or saddle while you are riding, you notice it almost instantly, and when you do, you'll instinctively hold your self up at roughly your normal saddle height.

Here's a video of a rider who's seat post broke in the Paris-Roubaix, no impalement there:


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Jeezum! How hard would that be? To constantly remind yourself not to sit down!
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Old 02-17-12, 05:39 PM
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That had to be his best time ever, don't you think? He must have been dying to get off that bike!
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Old 02-17-12, 05:41 PM
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Old 02-17-12, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rat fink View Post
Here's a video of a rider who's seat post broke in the Paris-Roubaix, no impalement there:
That doesn't look like a broken seat post to me. It looks like one or both of the carbon fiber saddle rails has broken. Some saddles are pretty flimsy, like this one that weighs in at 76 grams. You'd better be sure of your weight before buying one.
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Originally Posted by rat fink View Post
Seriously. I've broken three seat posts (all aluminum).
What were you doing wrong?
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Originally Posted by gridplan View Post
That doesn't look like a broken seat post to me. It looks like one or both of the carbon fiber saddle rails has broken. Some saddles are pretty flimsy, like this one that weighs in at 76 grams. You'd better be sure of your weight before buying one.
I do ride one of those Tune jobs, popularized by a certain German now facing doping trials. Just holding it and installing it on my bike made me a bit nervous, but for some reason it's the most comfortable saddle I own.
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
What were you doing wrong?
One was from a wreck where my foot came off the pedal during a sprint, one was from over-tightening the clamp, and the other was a manufacturing defect where the clamp snapped on a climb. The most recent one, required me to stand for about five miles to get home.
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Originally Posted by Italuminium View Post
I do ride one of those Tune jobs, popularized by a certain German now facing doping trials. Just holding it and installing it on my bike made me a bit nervous, but for some reason it's the most comfortable saddle I own.
I use a 90g carbon unpadded Chinese eBay saddle and it's the most comfortable saddle I've used. I think it helps that I've got a fair amount of saddle to bar drop though and so don't have my full weight on the saddle.
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tubulars, any bike without drop bars, tweed, brooks.

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