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The one that I have:







The one that's on its way to me as I write this:

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That second one is clearly too big for you. I, who specializes in what bigbossman likes to call "freakishly large frames," would be more than happy to pay shipping (and maybe a bit more) to take it off your hands.
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[QUOTE=gomango;13861474]
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So many beauties in this thread, but this one takes my breath away.

I've only seen this color scheme once before on a Cinelli in Bayern.

Any special story with this scheme?
Thanks. Apparently Cinelli had some agreement with Brügelmann in Germany to produce the Leggerissimo model, all of them yellow and red. I think it was a special order bike. There's some debate about the tubing. I've read that they were made from lighter weight Columbus tubing, but I don't know if that claim has ever been substantiated.
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Originally Posted by gomango

Thanks. Apparently Cinelli had some agreement with Brügelmann in Germany to produce the Leggerissimo model, all of them yellow and red. I think it was a special order bike. There's some debate about the tubing. I've read that they were made from lighter weight Columbus tubing, but I don't know if that claim has ever been substantiated.
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It is at the top end of my size range. I will probably resell it at some point. It looks pretty good from a distance but definitely has some condition issues that I will need to work on. It's a 72 like my other one.
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What size are they (to file away in my visual library)? Both beauties...
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Originally Posted by bibliobob
What size are they (to file away in my visual library)? Both beauties...
First one is a 57 ctc, second one is a 60 ctc.
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Originally Posted by iab
I like that St. Christopher medal on the seat tube. It looks almost original to the bike and it looks like St. Christopher has done his job!

I want to ask a question about these Cinelli's. It's not a criticism, I just want to understand. The seat stays on these bikes kind of look low-end to me because they are plain looking, bolted in stays. I thought that seat stay caps and there shape, weld and pantographing were a mark of craftmanship and a frame that is more high end? I don't see that on these Cinelli's. Was there a reason for the bolt-on stays?
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Beautiful bikes. Since I do not own a Cinelli am I allowed to ask a question?

I do not want to raise a debate but I think we can agree a Cinelli may be one of the best and rarest bikes still in production OK? so here is my question

Does Cinelli constantly produce frame in house at a low volume rate?

Or do they build say 2000 TSX frames in 2009 and sell them as their XYZ model until exhausted and then build another 2000 bikes in 2012 of Brain and sell until exhausted?

Also are they built in house or contracted out?
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
I want to ask a question about these Cinelli's. It's not a criticism, I just want to understand. The seat stays on these bikes kind of look low-end to me because they are plain looking, bolted in stays. I thought that seat stay caps and there shape, weld and pantographing were a mark of craftmanship and a frame that is more high end? I don't see that on these Cinelli's. Was there a reason for the bolt-on stays?
The stays are brazed on to the seat lugs, much like any other. The bolt that goes through it the seatpost binder bolt. If you'll look at some modern SC's, you'll see there is a Cinelli logo "button" embedded in the seat stay cap, and the correct bolt also recesses into the round opening. The correct bolt is hard to find for some the earlier models, and the picture you refer to is either older or a different model, I'd assume. Old Fat Guy would know, perhaps he'll follow this and email me the info.

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Or do they build say 2000 TSX frames in 2009 and sell them as their XYZ model until exhausted and then build another 2000 bikes in 2012 of Brain and sell until exhausted? Also are they built in house or contracted out?
I don't know how many they make in a given year, but the rep at NAHBS told me I could order one via the web site and it would take "a few months." I never thought to ask him if they ran production every year at a given time, and what changes there have been, say, in the last few years. I priced a 10-sp Chorus SC, probably in 2008, for $3250 delivered to my door, from lickbikes.com.

Good questions.

I'm picking a certain SC up from the paint shop today.
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Originally Posted by BlueDevil63
First one is a 57 ctc, second one is a 60 ctc.
Um...can you put me on the list...you know...just in case?
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Um...can you put me on the list...you know...just in case?
No, me first! Moooom, I saw it first! <said with all the dignity of a screaming three year old>

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I am simultaneously jealous, excited and lustful after reading this thread.
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
The seat stays on these bikes kind of look low-end to me because they are plain looking, bolted in stays.
No, its actually a feature designed by Cinelli I believe, and at one time unique to Cinelli frames.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
I am simultaneously jealous, excited and lustful after reading this thread.
I've heard about pills that can do that.
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I love this thread!!! There were so many design innovations introduced by Cino Cinelli that were adopted by the bicycle building world, e.g. the fast back seat stay, sloping fork crown, etc.

I know there are more Cinelli's in the hands of forum members that could be posted though.
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1
I like that St. Christopher medal on the seat tube. It looks almost original to the bike and it looks like St. Christopher has done his job!

I want to ask a question about these Cinelli's. It's not a criticism, I just want to understand. The seat stays on these bikes kind of look low-end to me because they are plain looking, bolted in stays. I thought that seat stay caps and there shape, weld and pantographing were a mark of craftmanship and a frame that is more high end? I don't see that on these Cinelli's. Was there a reason for the bolt-on stays?
As others have pointed out, the stays are not bolted in. It is a seat post binding bolt.

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
Beautiful bikes. Since I do not own a Cinelli am I allowed to ask a question?

I do not want to raise a debate but I think we can agree a Cinelli may be one of the best and rarest bikes still in production OK? so here is my question

Does Cinelli constantly produce frame in house at a low volume rate?

Or do they build say 2000 TSX frames in 2009 and sell them as their XYZ model until exhausted and then build another 2000 bikes in 2012 of Brain and sell until exhausted?

Also are they built in house or contracted out?
Currently, some of their frames are made in Italy. Some are made in Asia. Depends on the frame. The XCR is made in Italy. I believe the SC is also made there. I would guess their "low end" Gazzetta is made in Asia.

I don't know about their production schedule today, but in the past I believe it was on an as needed basis. Production was never a certain amount in a year.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
The stays are brazed on to the seat lugs, much like any other. The bolt that goes through it the seatpost binder bolt. If you'll look at some modern SC's, you'll see there is a Cinelli logo "button" embedded in the seat stay cap, and the correct bolt also recesses into the round opening. The correct bolt is hard to find for some the earlier models, and the picture you refer to is either older or a different model, I'd assume. Old Fat Guy would know, perhaps he'll follow this and email me the info.
The bolt in the picture is original to the bike.
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Originally Posted by iab
As others have pointed out, the stays are not bolted in. It is a seat post binding bolt.
Yeah, I see that, it's just I wouldn't expect a builder to put the binding bolt through the "cap", so to speak. Back in the day, that seemed to be a place for a builder to show some nice work on the caps with possibly some pantographing added...

Is this what Gary Fountain meant by "fastback seat stays" and was it a Cinelli creation as debakl stated?
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Originally Posted by dbakl
No, its actually a feature designed by Cinelli I believe, and at one time unique to Cinelli frames.
It was not designed by Cinelli. The fastback seat stay can be seen on Italian bikes in the 20s and 30s. Umberto Dei used it in the 30s.

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