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Shutter 03-07-12 07:38 AM

Chainring BCD - Will it work??
 
Hi.. Ok so I just bought a rossin bike and found this engraved chainring... I want to buy it but I'm not sure how to tell the seller to measure the BCD...

Does anybody know the BCD for campy Nuvo / Super Record cranksets? I will probably buy a crankset on eBay and pop this ring onto it..

I believe it belongs on a super record crankset??? Not sure

Side note: that crankset is obviously the wrong model... Maybe someone knows the BCD of the G.S. crank arms so you can sell me righ away if it will work??

The seller wants $40 for just the Rossin chainring or $75 for the whole crankset... what should I do? Is the cleanser worth more than $35 if I sell it?

Thanks!

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/...e/3b69b8ac.jpg

Bianchigirll 03-07-12 07:43 AM

A NR/SR is 144BCD and GS seems to have come in both 144 and 116 so this must be a 144 crank.

check sheldon's website for measuring the BCD without the tool that Park foolishly stopped making.

I generally dig into all the dusty catalogs I have around here but this is a great site lovingly maintained by one of our members (or maybe a former member?) and has lots of great stuff on it.

http://velobase.com/Default.aspx

Harlan 03-07-12 07:45 AM

144bcd. Always ask Sheldon first!

http://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-bcd.html

norskagent 03-07-12 07:56 AM

quick check - measure the distance (mm) between 2 adjacent crank bolts and multiply by 1.7013 = bcd.

Bianchigirll 03-07-12 08:46 AM

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As I mentioned it too bad Park no longer makes this tool. should anyone know the where abouts for one no one needs....

Shutter 03-07-12 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 13941913)
As I mentioned it too bad Park no longer makes this tool. should anyone know the where abouts for one no one needs....

Thanks! Yea.. That tool would be handy...

Shutter 03-07-12 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by norskagent (Post 13941726)
quick check - measure the distance (mm) between 2 adjacent crank bolts and multiply by 1.7013 = bcd.

Thanks! I asked the seller to do this to reconfirm

dbakl 03-07-12 09:13 AM

I'd buy the whole crank... but yeah, its 144 without a doubt.

Ex Pres 03-07-12 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by norskagent (Post 13941726)
quick check - measure the distance (mm) between 2 adjacent crank bolts and multiply by 1.7013 = bcd.


1.7013 ?? :p
Really? You think we can measure the c-c of the bolt holes to the accuracy required where the .0013 comes into play? ;)

sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

And the GS stuff is getting more expensive; I guess because the survivors are rarer as compared to Record stuff. I'd pay the extra for the crank.




norskagent 03-07-12 09:58 AM

Haha ^ I was using a 1962 edition of "CRC standard mathematical tables", it has a neat chart for figuring "area, radius of inscribed and circumscribed circles for regular polygons". It carries every thing to 5 decimal points.

Shutter 03-07-12 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Ex Pres (Post 13942057)
1.7013 ?? :p
Really? You think we can measure the c-c of the bolt holes to the accuracy required where the .0013 comes into play? ;)

sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

And the GS stuff is getting more expensive; I guess because the survivors are rarer as compared to Record stuff. I'd pay the extra for the crank.




Thanks! I just got confirmation that it is 144 from the seller (just like everybody had said)

I will buy the whole crank then =)

Also I'm assuming nuvo and super record are both 144 as well?

rhm 03-07-12 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 13942232)
Also I'm assuming nuvo and super record are both 144 as well?

Yup.

Chombi 03-07-12 10:22 AM

I don't know why the manufacturers won't just measure cranks using bolt center radius instead so one can just pit a ruler against the mounting bolt center and the chainring bolt center.

Chombi

Grand Bois 03-07-12 10:39 AM

Bcd = bcr x 2

kc0yef 03-07-12 11:11 AM

Math Equals nothing without proper measuring
 

Originally Posted by Ex Pres (Post 13942057)
1.7013 ?? :p
Really? You think we can measure the c-c of the bolt holes to the accuracy required where the .0013 comes into play? ;)
sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

1.701x is also only on a 5 arm crank if you have 3 4 6 or 8 there is other math involved Also center to center measuring is ridiculous just measure edge to edge much easier

Dan Burkhart 03-07-12 11:30 AM

I don't know if they still do this, but FSA chain rings used to come in a cardboard sleeve that had a BCD template for just about all known sizes printed on the back. I had a couple, but I think they were lost when I closed my shop.

zukahn1 03-07-12 11:38 AM

Since pretty much every manufacture marked/marks crank length on the back of there cranks and other details on the rings. Would it kill them to mark the BCD also?

Shutter 03-07-12 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by zukahn1 (Post 13942661)
Since pretty much every manufacture marked/marks crank length on the back of there cranks and other details on the rings. Would it kill them to mark the BCD also?

+1

JohnDThompson 03-07-12 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 13942232)
Thanks! I just got confirmation that it is 144 from the seller (just like everybody had said)

I will buy the whole crank then =)

Also I'm assuming nuvo and super record are both 144 as well?

Yes, unless you're talking about very early Record cranks, which were 151mm BCD.

Bianchigirll 03-07-12 02:01 PM

We need an "APP" for this

Noah Scape 03-07-12 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 13941698)
A NR/SR is 144BCD and GS seems to have come in both 144 and 116...

The 116 bcd would be the three-pin GS, I'm guessing.

JohnDThompson 03-08-12 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Noah Scape (Post 13943310)
The 116 bcd would be the three-pin GS, I'm guessing.

No, there was a 5-arm 116mm BCD Gran Sport crank as well; it later morphed into the Victory and Triomphe cranks:

http://www.velobase.com/CompImages/C...F8912810B.jpeg

Shutter 03-08-12 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 13947225)
No, there was a 5-arm 116mm BCD Gran Sport crank as well; it later morphed into the Victory and Triomphe cranks:

http://www.velobase.com/CompImages/C...F8912810B.jpeg


Right!! Forgot about that one!!

RobbieTunes 03-08-12 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by norskagent (Post 13941726)
quick check - measure the distance (mm) between 2 adjacent crank bolts and multiply by 1.7013 = bcd.

Quick? Youse engineers guys..

RobbieTunes 03-08-12 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 13942621)
I don't know if they still do this, but FSA chain rings used to come in a cardboard sleeve that had a BCD template for just about all known sizes printed on the back. I had a couple, but I think they were lost when I closed my shop.

I've got one of those, thought it was some kind of artwork.


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