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Picked up a "Colnago" Super 1977 with Colner Pantographs, confused!

Old 03-08-12, 03:32 PM
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Picked up a "Colnago" Super 1977 with Colner Pantographs, confused!

Hey guys, new to the forum. Interested in vintage bicycles for the longest time. I just brought this bicycle used from an ebay dealer in Germany and I was wondering what you guys can tell me about it?

I been reading up on Colner/Colnago. The seller claims it is a Colnago frame but from the spade cutouts I have reason to think it's actually a Colner redecaled as a Colnago.

Anybody well versed in Colnago? Tell me what you guys think.











Colnago Super 1977 with Colner Pantographs

Is this a good buy or did I get jibbed?

-JC
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It's a Colner rebadged as a Colnago. Not to worry, though, as Colners were very nice frames in their own right. Having all that Colner panto stuff is a plus, particularly as it's in such nice shape.

Best dead-giveaway of this being a Colner and not a Colnago are of course the spade cutouts and the deep and wide concave seatstay caps.

Probably from the late 70s/early 80s. Very nice!

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Beauty! Just as cool as a Colnago.

I had a mid 70s Rauler (with some Colnago panto) that I cherished as much as a Colnago. Unfortunately, it was just too small....
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Great looking Colna er uh Colnerago
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Thanks for the replies!

I been troubling myself for the past two days getting a bit of buyers remorse about it being a Colner and not a Colnago. I am glad that got cleared up!

I am thinking of upgrading the Superleggara seat, and I would need pedals as well. I want to stay period correct as possible (late 1970s)

Are Nuovo Record pedals hard to find? What about colner pantographed clips for them? Also, I was thinking about a Brooks Swallow, would an English seat be bad bike karma on an Italian beauty like this one?

Thanks for the replies again!

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I'll see if I can dig up pics of my Colner.

They are around here somewhere.

If I were you, I'd not worry for an instant and start enjoying that beauty.

It's just super.
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
I'll see if I can dig up pics of my Colner.

They are around here somewhere.

If I were you, I'd not worry for an instant and start enjoying that beauty.

It's just super.
Yes! Share those pictures, and other Colner owners as well.
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Ernersto getting back at Mario for Mario not accepting a work opportunity with Ernesto.
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Originally Posted by Chansd5 View Post
Yes! Share those pictures, and other Colner owners as well.
Not on the computer unfortunately.

In boxes with other "Polaroid" Land camera snaps from back in the day.

Yep, I just dated myself that much.
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Ernersto getting back at Mario for Mario not accepting a work opportunity with Ernesto.
I like how after reading a brief biography on Mario Confente, I get it.

Confentes are like the Ferraris of vintage bikes aren't they?

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^ More like the Bugatti EB110s of C&V

Actually, Colnago has been branded the "Ferrari of Bicycles" more often than not.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
^ More like the Bugatti EB110s of C&V

Actually, Colnago has been branded the "Ferrari of Bicycles" more often than not.

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Except, Confente is slightly rarer.

135 Confentes vs. 139 Bugattis from 1991 to 1995.
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Originally Posted by Chansd5 View Post
I been troubling myself for the past two days getting a bit of buyers remorse about it being a Colner and not a Colnago. I am glad that got cleared up!

I am thinking of upgrading the Superleggara seat, and I would need pedals as well. I want to stay period correct as possible (late 1970s)

Are Nuovo Record pedals hard to find? What about colner pantographed clips for them? Also, I was thinking about a Brooks Swallow, would an English seat be bad bike karma on an Italian beauty like this one?
I think it's actually a little cooler than a Colnago, being more unusual. And all those pantographs are super cool. I dunno if you're likely to find Colner panto'd NR pedals, but there are plenty of NR pedals out there. Check Ebay.

I think a Brooks Swallow in black would be great.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
^ More like the Bugatti EB110s of C&V

Actually, Colnago has been branded the "Ferrari of Bicycles" more often than not.

DD
Most frequently and consistently by Ernesto himself, as he has a Ferrari fixation.
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
Most frequently and consistently by Ernesto himself, as he has a Ferrari fixation.
There are worse fixations to have.

Make mine a 12 cylinder of course.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
There are worse fixations to have.

Make mine a 12 cylinder of course.
I often refer to myself as the Ferrari of C&V contributers ...
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That Colner is sweet, don't sweat it!


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I often refer to myself as the Ferrari of C&V contributers ...
I guess that would make me the Ford Pinto...
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Looks like a sweet bike. You could always take off the decals and get some Colner ones made up.
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Is there a connection between Colnago and Colner?
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Is there a connection between Colnago and Colner?
Colner was a Colnago sottomarche.
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
Colner was a Colnago sottomarche.
That word does sting a little.
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
Colner was a Colnago sottomarche.
Well, that clears it all up. Not.
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Well, that clears it all up. Not.
I don't mean to be a jerk but I looked it up in google and found out within the first couple of links that sottmarche means "sub-brand'.
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I don't mean to be a jerk but I looked it up in google and found out within the first couple of links that sottmarche means "sub-brand'.
I'm trying to make Italian bike afficianado self-researchers here ... I sometimes have the quick answers, but prefer to cater to the curious ...
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I love and appreciate what a great reference this site is. I had never heard of Colner before; very interesting. Looks like a nice bike.
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