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Old 05-24-19, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fordbailey View Post
Itís not tan, itís dirty. The Carlton hoods are dirty too, but with some cleaning they should turn white. I had a line on a Super Tourer yesterday- then saw this.
Iím going to go with white cable housing.
I cleaned mine - looks to be the exact same as on yours - and they definitely aren't white. They were definitely tan: How to clean vintage bike frame & components?

BUT, maybe that's just years of dirt & wear & decade grime so ingrained in the rubber that it'll never be white again?

Here's my Super Tourer how it came: Raleigh Super Tourer - 1st full rebuild in progress
And here's a Gran Sport with the white hoods - and white cabling - but they're definitely white: Raleigh Super Tourer - 1st full rebuild in progress

I was planning on getting white either way since I couldn't find tan, so in the end I suppose it's a moot point
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Old 05-24-19, 11:02 AM
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I cleaned mine - looks to be the exact same as on yours - and they definitely aren't white. They were definitely tan: How to clean vintage bike frame & components?

BUT, maybe that's just years of dirt & wear & decade grime so ingrained in the rubber that it'll never be white again?

Here's my Super Tourer how it came: Raleigh Super Tourer - 1st full rebuild in progress
And here's a Gran Sport with the white hoods - and white cabling - but they're definitely white: Raleigh Super Tourer - 1st full rebuild in progress

I was planning on getting white either way since I couldn't find tan, so in the end I suppose it's a moot point
Catalog shows them as white. When I was 15 and walked up to one at Big Wheel Cyclery in Fresno, CA they were white - kinda brilliant white. My friend Bob's was white. White plastic and rubber doesn't stay that way under UV, dirt, years...
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Fair enough. White it be, then! Which is good because I was going to go get some at the bike shop this weekend anyway.
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Old 05-25-19, 06:47 AM
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Nice shop decal.
The Gran Sport is cleaning up nicely !
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Old 05-27-19, 07:57 AM
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Starting to add parts...
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My 72' Grand Sports. I love this bike. Has a great ride and is faster than my professional. (Not by much though) Probably my most playful Raleigh. Still need an international to complete the set.

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After starting the parts swap from my Raleigh Competition frame to my Gran Sport frame, I was optimistic. The tires fit, the bottom bracket didn't need the drive side spacers anymore. I was excited by the prospect of switching frames- geometry seems a little tighter, chainstays a little shorter, paint much brighter and fresher. Then I got to the rear brake. I realized that putting 650bs on this bike is not going to happen without getting "torchy" with it: the brake bridge is too high for the MAFAC Raids to work. Such a bummer.
So I will build it with 700c wheels and the widest tire that will fit. I'd still like to make it work with 650b wheels, just not in the cards right now.
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Originally Posted by fordbailey View Post
After starting the parts swap from my Raleigh Competition frame to my Gran Sport frame, I was optimistic. The tires fit, the bottom bracket didn't need the drive side spacers anymore. I was excited by the prospect of switching frames- geometry seems a little tighter, chainstays a little shorter, paint much brighter and fresher. Then I got to the rear brake. I realized that putting 650bs on this bike is not going to happen without getting "torchy" with it: the brake bridge is too high for the MAFAC Raids to work. Such a bummer.
So I will build it with 700c wheels and the widest tire that will fit. I'd still like to make it work with 650b wheels, just not in the cards right now.

Damn, didn't think of that detail. RAID's with a drop bolt? THAT might be taking things too far.
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Old 05-28-19, 10:10 AM
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I love the way my Ď73 rides with 700c and 33 mm Supple Vitesse tires, fwiw. I couldnít realistically go wider than that on the rear and still have an acceptable margin for a wheel going out of true - unless I were to crimp the chainstays.
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Damn, didn't think of that detail. RAID's with a drop bolt? THAT might be taking things too far.
It's weird, though. The bridge seems extra high on this GS. Better part of an inch higher than on my Competition.
I've been loving my 650b bikes. Now the only one I have built up is my single speed... I guess I'll start brazing...

So Gugie- have you renounced your 650b ways, satisfied with 700c wheel size on your fleet ??
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I had a 1975 Gran Sport, and the brake bridge was super high on it, also. I think that's how they made them.
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Originally Posted by fordbailey View Post
It's weird, though. The bridge seems extra high on this GS. Better part of an inch higher than on my Competition.
I've been loving my 650b bikes. Now the only one I have built up is my single speed... I guess I'll start brazing...

So Gugie- have you renounced your 650b ways, satisfied with 700c wheel size on your fleet ??
I guess my feeling is: the right horse for the right track. I want fatter tires for combined surface riding. If I can get that with 700c wheels on a particular frame, then I'll go that way. My Grander Sportier has long legs, 700c x 35's fit ok with fenders, but 33.3 is perfect clearance. I've ridden that bike on good quality gravel roads, but want a wider tire for rougher stuff. I decided to build up this bike as a test against my 650b x 42 Competition. After riding it awhile I think I'd prefer it with wider tires - and I want it with fenders - so 650b x 42s would be an improvement.

I built a frame for a buddy around 700c x 44mm tires with plenty of fender clearance, but he's 6'6" so wheel size wasn't an issue. There's a lot more choices in 700c rims and tires, so all things being equal, I'd try to build a frame round 700c wheels. Smaller frames require smaller wheels to give the clearances you need/want.

The magic of 650b is that you can fit a wider tire in many frames that 700c won't allow. A fat 650b tire has almost the same outer diameter as a skinny 700c, so BB height isn't changed much from the original design.

Sometimes you have to test your beliefs and be willing to try something else. I did and my belief was strengthened.

I'm still in the 650b boat with caveats.
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I built a frame for a buddy around 700c x 44mm tires with plenty of fender clearance, but he's 6'6" so wheel size wasn't an issue. There's a lot more choices in 700c rims and tires, so all things being equal, I'd try to build a frame round 700c wheels. Smaller frames require smaller wheels to give the clearances you need/want.
What a fantastic frame you made ! That's a lot of bells and whistles for your second frame ! I'm getting ready to get some tanks and some supplies to do a proper modification to my Competition (it has bad paint)... as practice for the work I need to do on the GS. The GS will, in the meantime be rolling on 700 x 35c.



Look at that brake bridge ! I think it needs almost 90mm of reach !
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