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What's the deal on this Peugeot?

Old 03-30-12, 05:17 PM
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What's the deal on this Peugeot?

I found this peugeot on CL and was wondering if anyone has any info on it: Peugeot Carbone
Any ideas guys and gals?
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Old 03-30-12, 05:31 PM
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Ooohh gawd!...it's one of the grail bikes for many 80's Peugeot fans, including me.
A mid 80's Peugeot PY10FC "pro team bike"
If it's in great condition. that looks like a pretty good buy, considering the full Mavic SSC drivetrain I see there! But be sure all the tube connections to the lugs are good the tube end trim rings are all present and the seat lug clamp is not cracked. Most of the decals are still available from eBay if they are needed.
See if you can visit the bike to inspect it. that's the only way you can get the best assesment on a PY10FC. If everything checks out,........Getitqweek!!

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Old 03-30-12, 05:49 PM
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reminds me of the Trek 2120 Aluminum/carbon Frame
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Old 03-30-12, 07:00 PM
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Further info on the PY10FC:
It was made by Vitus for Peugoet and is mostly based on their "Carbone 3" bike which means it has 3 CF main tubes and the rest is aluminum.
These ones made for Peugoet does have a few different things compared the the Vitus Carbone 3. The PY10FC does not have all the threaded bosses for the water bottle, and shift lever mounts like the Carbone 3 does. Peugeot also added "trim rings" to the CF tube ends to supposedly protect the CF tube ends from fraying...or something, but that was never a problem with the ringless Vitus Carbone bikes. The weakest area of the PY10FC is its seatpost clamp which tends to crack from owners overtightening it. Most think that Vitus just did not design the clamps/lugs to be tough enough to start with. the tube end trim rings also tended to crack and fall off the bike if corrosion gets to it, so this is definitely a bike you would not want to ride too much in the wet. The decals on the bike were awful and tend to peel and crack off when you breath on them, so its kind of a plus if you can get one with all the decals intact.
The PY10FC was indeed raced by the Peugeot Pro factory team and was in the mid 80's TDF. Notably used by Peugoet riders like Pascal Simon and maybe Stephen Roche and Gilbert Duclos LaSalle. Not sure though if the bike was under them when they won any stages. Cerainly a very collectible 80's Peugeot, but thier fragility tends to make it very hard to find "good ones" to buy in the second hand market. I don't think too many were sold either, as they were pretty expensive.
Some of them were sold as complete bike, with I think, Spidel groups on them, but it was also sod as framesets which were decked out with groups like the Mavic SSC group you see on the CL bike. I wouldn't be surprised if a few were equipped by their owners with Shimano DA7400 groups too.

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Old 03-30-12, 07:02 PM
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Cool bike. I love this forum, learn something new several times a day.
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I remember those bikes and the Look, Miyata, Giant, Trek and the Specialized versions as well as the Vitus as mentioned and I think Alan, there were a few other brands that copied that same design but can't remember them now. But I do remember issues with durability that came to light after people owned them for a few years, but most of the durability issues came from heavier riders on larger frame bikes. These type of constructed frames being ridden by larger heavy guys flexed the frame too much and they would eventually stress the aluminium lugs...NOT the carbon tubes; and most of those problems were with the forks and steerer tube, rear dropouts breaking at the CF joint, with some issues of the bonding glue coming undone at the lugs which Vitus had before with their lugged aluminum frames. And even fewer had problems with delamination which can occur with todays modern CF bikes too.

I almost bought the 84 Trek version but sensing that the technology was unproven I got scared out of the purchase and instead bought an 84 Trek 660
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Old 03-30-12, 07:37 PM
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I definitely have the ability to check it out. I had a bad feeling about this because it was missing the rainbow decals, maybe I'll take it more seriously. Thanks for the info guys!
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Old 03-30-12, 11:06 PM
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I looked at the CL pic and noticed a few things that should be checked out.
The forward most cable guid on the top tube is not visible in the pic. Check to see if its still there as they sometimes come off a lot of bikes from stress and vibration from the brake cable loop going to the lever.
Also check what's going on with the rear derailleur as it looks like it's swung too far forward on the hanger. Make sure the swing limiter washer is present in between the droupout hanger and the derailleur pivot body. They are almost impossible to find if you lose them. It could be just that the washer is not mounted correctly on the derailleur pivot body, but you have to check if it is at least still there. Use this pic of my Vitus Carbone for reference as it has the identical Mavic SSC drivetrain group on it:

Notice the angle of the derailleur arms on the bike.
Good catch on the missing Peugeot 80's rainbow stripes on the bike. Don't lose hope on it yet despite what I mentioned as this bikes looks to be in better condition than most PY10FCs I see out there. You can maybe mention the few things that you do find wrong with it and get it for much less than the asking price. So far what I see can be fixed easy enough.
Come to think of it and considering what I see more clearly now, this particular PY10FC is not worth the owner's asking price as it cerainly is not as minty fresh as I first thought.....I frankly cannot say how much a missing cable guide on these bikes will pull down the price as an original part like that, as simple as it is, is almost impossible to find these days. You might end up just using a clamp on type guide if you cannot fabricate a replacement yourself. It will be ridable, but will not look all original.
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Its definitely a better deal than this one
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2928098948.html
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Originally Posted by PDXaero View Post
Its definitely a better deal than this one
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2928098948.html
lol 'notched'.
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Old 03-31-12, 07:49 AM
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Its definitely a better deal than this one
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2928098948.html
This needs to be in the Wacky World of Craigslist Ads Hall of Fame
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The carbon can always be swapped out for bamboo I guess lol
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