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When is a Super Champion not a Super Champion?

Old 03-30-12, 06:54 PM
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When is a Super Champion not a Super Champion?

Answer: When it's a Team Champion!

So I scored the two Motobecanes listed as Super Champions on my local CL. The seller had told me they were both very rare Super Champions. Well, the larger of the two is a Team Champion. Needless to say I was very disappointed! Anyway here are a few pics. At 50 and 58cm neither are my size. The Super was missing brakes and rear derailleur. Both are in very good condition. Any info on the Super will be appreciated.
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Old 03-30-12, 07:01 PM
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e.x.c.e.l.l.e.n.t....!
Many more pictures, if you please.

what a wonderful find. "Super Champion". Extremely interesting. Never seen that before.

whew...
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Old 03-30-12, 08:05 PM
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Just beautiful, a great score! Congratulations!

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Old 03-30-12, 08:39 PM
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Oh wow Oh wow Oh wow Oh wow Oh wow Oh wow Oh wow Oh wow
Auch? You holding up okay over there, buddy?
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Old 03-30-12, 09:15 PM
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Auch? You holding up okay over there, buddy?
Certainly, Kiwigem. - But thanks for your concern.


....OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!
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Old 03-30-12, 09:31 PM
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Ooohhh - more beautiful orange steel bikes. I like

Any idea about the strange monikers? I've never heard of either of them.

Great scores!

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Old 03-30-12, 09:36 PM
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That was one of the best deals that I've seen in a while....

Enjoy (or sell them to someone who fits them )
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That big one will fit me

I've been jonesing for an orange Moto Team ever since I laid eyes on rootboy's.

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Wow, thanks for the warm reception! I will be posting more pics of both bikes. I've been snagging several CL vintage bikes lately and have been falling behind in the photo department. Recent captures include a beautiful 1978 Batavus, a 1978 66cm Paramount, a 1973(?) Motobecane Le Champion in black/red, and a 1961 blue smoke finish Swiss Allegro. Oh, plus a 1972 Mondia frame/fork. Haven't been around the C&V forum lately.


Here are some pics from the CL listing outed by a forum member. Post 13155


https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...rt-II/page1316

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Wow, amazing score. Congrats!
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The small one fits me! Whaaaaa! Wonderful find!
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Two very cool bikes. Of course, that Team Champion is amazing, but it is the Super Champion I find intriguing. I'm wondering if that is a European market model. Did you get any info from the seller? A component breakdown, when you have time of course, would be appreciated. Judging by a quick look at the Team Champion, it looks to be a 1975 model. Although not definitive of exact age, what is the date on the rear derailleur?
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...I'm wondering if that is a European market model. .....
I'm thinking this is highly likely...

I recently ran into a similar situation with another French bike, which presented itself only in the French catalogs, one notch above the top-of-the-line US model.
- So it seems the French were holding out on us!
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Nice. I always liked those.
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Team Champion is my grail European bike. Don't know if they made it in my size though (25"/63cm). Nice score.
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Old 03-31-12, 07:14 PM
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Very nice. I saw that ad and told my dad to go get 'em (he lives in CA), but he didn't go for it! If you decide to sell the little one let me know, I've been meaning to fix up a bike for my dad.
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Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
Two very cool bikes. Of course, that Team Champion is amazing, but it is the Super Champion I find intriguing. I'm wondering if that is a European market model. Did you get any info from the seller? A component breakdown, when you have time of course, would be appreciated. Judging by a quick look at the Team Champion, it looks to be a 1975 model. Although not definitive of exact age, what is the date on the rear derailleur?

Got to take a closer look at both Motos today. The Team Champion has 1973 date codes on the cranks, RD and cone locknuts. Campy brakes have the flat QR lever.
As for the Super the brakes and RD had been removed prior to the seller finding the Motos. Remaining components are Campy with the cone locknuts stamped CAM 70. Rims are Super Champion and appear to be original. The Campy brake levers are first generation Record according to Velobase. Makes me wonder if it had 'no name' Campy side pulls and somebody removed them.
That's it for now, lots of interest in both Motos.
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Old 04-01-12, 05:33 AM
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Lots of interest? Hmmm. I wonder why?

I've found these can be tough to date with the available info on the net, etc. 73 date on everything on the TC eh? That's a great start. With the lack of chrome fork ends and if it has the larger block lettering on the down tube, it could be a 74 model. Or a 75, IMO. Looking at the catalog scans on the net helps a bit, but, perhaps not definitive. Mine has pre-73 parts on it but there doesn't seem to be a 1973 catalog extant. At least on the net. Can't quite tell from the pic but, does your TC have black painted seat stay caps? Like this?
That detail seems somewhat indicative of an earlier bike.
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I have a '73 Super Champion in a 62cm that looks identical to the Super Champ here. I'd post a photo, but I don't have enough posts yet It is one of my very favorite riding bikes--I rode it in Eroica California this year.
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no one seems to have noticed that it is not a team champion, but a champion team. very different bike.
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I have a '73 Super Champion in a 62cm that looks identical to the Super Champ here. I'd post a photo, but I don't have enough posts yet It is one of my very favorite riding bikes--I rode it in Eroica California this year.
Welcome aboard.

Just go to any thread that pique's you interest, say hi and or comment, then get those pics goin.
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58cm is my size, in case you are wondering.
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And they're both Orange...nice
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