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Old 04-04-12, 04:26 PM
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Dating a Colnago

I just bought this Colnago and could use some help dating it. It's a European bike from Germany. I think around 1975. Ed
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Probably a little later than that. I would guess 1978/1979/1980. 1975 would not as yet have the "Colnago" engravings in the seatstay caps and I believe the small triangular indentations on the backside of the fork crown came in 1977.

After 1980 the gear cable guides were brazed to the bottom of the BB shell and the stay treatment at the dropout ends changed from the smooth transition we see here to a pinched/brazed type of connection.

This looks a likely repaint, so the decals are not really helpful. In 99% of Supers, the fork crown was chromed, as were the driveside chainstays - either real chrome plating or a simulated chrome decal.

Very nice find!

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The "Colnago" on the seat stay cap allegedly appeared around 1980. The cable routing allegedly switched to under the bottom bracket around 1982. Ergo, I'd call it an '80-'81?

Very nice bike!
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Ask her to go out for an espresso and woo her a little. I'm sure you'll get in once you work in the charm.
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Not 1975. As stated 1980-81.
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I'm a bit of a dunderhead when it comes to dating these Colnagos.

DD, Repechage, and and BB do a great job with this stuff.

I just wanted to tell the op that that's a great find.

Looks like a slam dunk for a fantastic project.

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Cool bike! I would totally date a Colnago. Go steady even.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Probably a little later than that. I would guess 1978/1979/1980. 1975 would not as yet have the "Colnago" engravings in the seatstay caps and I believe the small triangular indentations on the backside of the fork crown came in 1977.

After 1980 the gear cable guides were brazed to the bottom of the BB shell and the stay treatment at the dropout ends changed from the smooth transition we see here to a pinched/brazed type of connection.

This looks a likely repaint, so the decals are not really helpful. In 99% of Supers, the fork crown was chromed, as were the driveside chainstays - either real chrome plating or a simulated chrome decal.

Very nice find!

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As an example:



DD, they forgot to chrome mine!




BTW this one will be ready for the "after" pics in a couple of weeks.
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Anybody ever heard of the guy whose name appears on the stem? I don't have the bike yet these are the sellers pictures. Looks like Jan Boeyon.Ed
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Here's the best I could do with trying to figure out what year a Super is...

Colnago Super Frame Dating
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1968 -- "Super" decal on chain stay
1968 -- Fork crown (sand cast) with two holes in the points at each side
1968 -- Fork tangs wide, no cutouts
1968 -- Club cutouts in all three lugs
1968 -- Bottom bracket shell with drilled holes (eight in circle plus one in center)
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1970 -- Fork crown (investment cast) semi-sloping, flat front and back with two holes in
the points at each side
1970 -- "Playing card" club decal graphics (inspired by 1970 Milano-San Remo victory)
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1971 -- Fork crown with clubs in top and two holes in each side
1971 -- Fork tangs narrow, no cutouts (or rarely no tangs)
1971 -- Club cutouts in all three lugs but club in lower head lug is now larger
1971 -- Hole in lower point of seat lug (last year)
1971 -- Bottom bracket shell with club cutout
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1972 -- Black Club/COLNAGO decal on head tube/seat tube (two seat tube Worlds bands) and
COLNAGO on down tube
1972 -- Fork tangs with two holes (or very rarely three holes tangs or no tangs)
1972 -- Cable guide braze-ons top of bottom bracket shell
1972 -- Water bottle braze-ons on downtube
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1973 -- Wreath seat tube decal with Worlds band at top and bottom
1973 -- Fork crown with clubs on top but no holes in each side
1973 -- Fork tangs with club cutouts (or rarely two hole tangs or no tangs)
1973 -- Club cutout in lower head lug only
1973 -- Introduction of the Super Pantografata
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1974 -- Shifter braze-ons on down tube (option before this)
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1975 -- Mexico model introduced
1975 -- Diagonal Worlds band added behind black Club/COLNAGO head tube decal
1975 -- Diagonal Worlds band with yellow Club/COLNAGO head tube decal used for one year
1975 -- Vertical COLNAGO seat tube decal with single diagonal Worlds band at top
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1976 -- Fork crown with COLNAGO added to clubs on top
1976 -- Short Campagnolo or COLNAGO dropouts
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1977 -- Fork crown with shallow triangles cut into back (no recessed brake bolt)
1977 -- Top tube cable guide braze-ons (an option before this)
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1978 -- Fork crown for recessed brake bolt with shallow triangles cut into back
1978 -- Brake bridge for recessed brake bolt
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1980 -- Fluted seat stay caps engraved COLNAGO and straight seat stays (no longer biconical shape)
1980 -- Brake bridge with cast square boss for recessed brake bolt
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1981 -- Chain stay bridge is small spool shape (no longer tube shape)
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1982 -- Chain stays stamped COLNAGO on sides
1982 -- Cable routing on underside of bottom bracket
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1983 -- Aerodynamic fork crown

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Year dates are approximate; changes might have occurred the end of one year or the beginning of the next for example. Paint schemes, panels, decals and chrome varied according to how importers spec'd their frames, so this all varied considerably and there are anomalies. Dates and details based on the Classic Rendezvous archives, the Wool Jersey Gallery, and Colnago and Bikcology catalogs.

Serial numbering only started for Colnago on USA-bound bikes when the CPSC started requiring tracking, etc. West Coast Cycles was importing Colnago at the time and the serial numbers started for their product. There is still no way to determine manufacturing date by the numbers, except that they are 1979 or later....
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its strange but the braze on brake guides and the deraileur guidrs seemed to change on all bikes about the same time.

,Mine has both of these details,

never got an exact date on My Ultima but its right in there-79-81
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Puchfinnland, which type of derailleur guides are you referring to in your post?
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Originally Posted by confente
Here's the best I could do with trying to figure out what year a Super is...
Your best also happens to be the best out there.... A valuable tool.
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dating a Colnago? I prefer redheads... that's why I married one
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I thought Colnagos were redheads... but I'd never marry one. Gentlemen prefer blonds
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Confente: Do you have a list for Superissimo's? Do you know what the variance is with a Super? Other than chrome differences and possibly tube selection and chain stay bridge usage, are they the same?

Beautiful bike BTW!
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SJX426: I don't know anything about the Superissimo, sorry.
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The bike showed up today. Probably 8 or 9 out of 10. As I said before its a European bike from Germany. All the time lines and expertise are about bikes
that were sold in the US. Probably 1/3 of what Colnago sold. There are at least 15 models that never made it to the US. So the paint is original there is no
sign of any chrome on the bike. The RD is dated "77" the crank set 1976. The hub lock nuts "78". As the wheel set are Mavic Dule on SF Record hubs I
expect they were a replacement. You would expect a Colnago from this era to have sewups. The left side chain stay has a Colnago Super decal. The 3TTT
stem is pantographed Jan Boeyen on both sides. I'll post some pictures after I get cleaned up. Ed
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Originally Posted by EhGiOeS
So the paint is original there is no
sign of any chrome on the bike.
In the variable world of Colnagos, chrome is one of the more variable variables. The dating proposed is of course spot on.
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