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Old 04-06-12, 03:08 PM
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Brake pads for Dura Ace 7400 ???

Hi... I need replacement brake pads (cartridge insert pads) for my Dura Ace 7400 calipers... I doubt that shimano still makes them and any NOS ones on eBay would bd hard from age...

Sooo Kool Stop would be the way to go...

What is the name of the pads I need?? They don't really say on the website (I guess due to copywrite infringement...)

Does anybody know which ones I need??
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I am not so sure, I think those have a much lower profile (distance from the holder to the pad is what I am refering to) than the OPs brakes would need. Campi did the same thing when they went to DP brakes the pads got much thinner.

FWIW the Shimano part number for those blocks is 870 3101
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For me the downside of the salmon pads is that they're, well, salmon, and therefor ugly. Would it not be possible for the manufacture to tint that material? Or are they left orange just to distinguish them in the marketplace?
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I am not so sure, I think those have a much lower profile (distance from the holder to the pad is what I am refering to) than the OPs brakes would need. Campi did the same thing when they went to DP brakes the pads got much thinner.

FWIW the Shimano part number for those blocks is 870 3101
Yea... I think those pads are for newer brakes... I don't think they are for the old school ones I have...

I can always order new cartridge holders but I like the factory dura ace ones...

Any ideas??

I have some 7800 pads so I will try then but I doubt they will work
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I am not so sure, I think those have a much lower profile
+1. Those also seem longer and have a different shape groove than what you need. I had a cheap set of replacement pads/holders (similar to these tektros but with silver shoes). I pulled the pads and put them into my 7400 brake shoes. Probably don't stop as well as Kool Stop, but they were a perfect fit. I'll see if I can find out what they were and post some pics when I am home in a few hours.
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
+1. Those also seem longer and have a different shape groove than what you need. I had a cheap set of replacement pads/holders (similar to these tektros but with silver shoes). I pulled the pads and put them into my 7400 brake shoes. Probably don't stop as well as Kool Stop, but they were a perfect fit. I'll see if I can find out what they were and post some pics when I am home in a few hours.
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Originally Posted by jim hughes View Post
For me the downside of the salmon pads is that they're, well, salmon, and therefor ugly. Would it not be possible for the manufacture to tint that material? Or are they left orange just to distinguish them in the marketplace?
They are Salmon colored bcause they are for wet weather riding.
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Oops! My brakes are FR-7403, not 7400. my mistake, sorry for the confusion.

I deleted my original post since it was incorrect.

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Well, unfortunately, I can't quite tell what the replacement pads I used are. There's no markings that I can see. IIRC, I picked them up on ebay planning to use the replacement pads & shoes for something else until I tried to fit the pads into the DA shoes. Here's a picture of the empty shoes. Anyone recognize them?



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Pads would probably cost you over half the price of better calipers. 7400 was great in 1985, but brakes have come a long way since then. If it's a rider and not a 'period correct' museum piece, put some modern brakes on it.
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Originally Posted by roadrunner2012 View Post
Pads would probably cost you over half the price of better calipers. 7400 was great in 1985, but brakes have come a long way since then. If it's a rider and not a 'period correct' museum piece, put some modern brakes on it.
It is a museum piece. =)

If I can't find any I will just get new cartridge holders and use them with the calipers...
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Bingo!! Those are the ones
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Okay, I found it!

They were sold as Campagnolo Old Record Alloy replacement pads. I intended to use them on my chorus monoplanar brakes on another bike but they didn't fit, so they languished in my parts bin for a few months, until I noticed how similar the shape was to my 7400 pads. The pads installed in DA 7400 shoes above are the same as what's in the ebay link below. New parts, plenty in stock. Best part? $10.49 plus shipping.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-O...item2c63de3ea6
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This is good! I will see if pre-2000 Campy pads fit. If they do, you can get new Campy or Kool-Stop replacements.
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I'm not sure the description is "Campagnolo Old Record Alloy" is really that accurate. The pads that I pulled from those shoes were slightly curved on the sides as well as the ends, whereas the pre-2000 Campagnolo pads are more rectangular in shape. Despite what the seller calls them, they don't look to like old Campagnolo pads to me. Check out the ebay link in post #14 and you'll see what I mean.
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The Kool Stop "dura type" doesn't fit?
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Originally Posted by roadrunner2012 View Post
Pads would probably cost you over half the price of better calipers. 7400 was great in 1985, but brakes have come a long way since then. If it's a rider and not a 'period correct' museum piece, put some modern brakes on it.
I chuckled when I read this. Where shall I start???
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The Kool Stop "dura type" doesn't fit?
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Originally Posted by MetinUz View Post
This is good! I will see if pre-2000 Campy pads fit. If they do, you can get new Campy or Kool-Stop replacements.
I am not sure Campi and DA shoes/pads would be interchangable.

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I'm not sure the description is "Campagnolo Old Record Alloy" is really that accurate. The pads that I pulled from those shoes were slightly curved on the sides as well as the ends, whereas the pre-2000 Campagnolo pads are more rectangular in shape. Despite what the seller calls them, they don't look to like old Campagnolo pads to me. Check out the ebay link in post #14 and you'll see what I mean.

What 'Pre 2000" pads are you refering to? As near as I can tell there are 2 different pre 2000 pads that are different from the classic NR/SR square block. There is one that seems ro have been used from '92ish until '96/96 when everything went DP and were the same basic shape as the NR/SR blocks but rounded on the the end. Then the lower profile PD pads.

A year or so ago I purchased what were described as "delta" replacement pads thinking I could use them in my '94ish Monoplanors but as it turns out they seem to be lowprofile pree 2000 types. Campi must be learning how to make things obsolete faster from shimano.
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Designed for alloy rims, good all around pads, 4 padsper pack. Also fit Dura Ace 7400 / 7402 / 7403 Ultegra 6400. The Campy Pre 2000pads are virtually the same as the older Shimano pads. It is suggested that asmall amount of soapy water be used in the side grooves if it is difficult toinset the pads into the holders.



SWISS STOP Campy pre 2000compatible black brake pads



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here are actual 7400 pads


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I just got my hands on the perfect brake shoe set:-(

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A complete set of 7400 sold for under $50/shipped. You can get some new dual pivots for about the same, and stop a lot better.
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A complete set of 7400 sold for under $50/shipped. You can get some new dual pivots for about the same, and stop a lot better.
depends on the quality https://www.ebay.com/itm/200726132448...84.m1562.l2649
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