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Old 04-11-12, 01:47 PM
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While I have never installed rivnuts I have come across enough rattly loose ones to not wanting to go that route.
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Great looking bike! :thumb":
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Great looking bike!
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Bottle bosses and JBweld? (Not being a smart azz)
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That's an amazing bike. I love the drillium with the orange and black. That's a pain about the holes in the downtube, I know exactly the sinking feeling you described because it's happened to me a million times. I usually end up with my head in my hands, wanting to give up on the whole thing. HOWEVER, this particular mod has been done a million times, and I really doubt that there is any structural significance. I would just fill those holes with something (solder?) then put some orange cloth bar tape over the holes to protect the paint, and then a clamp on cage right over it. Then put a bottle in there and pretend it never happened. It is a truly beautiful bike, regardless of two tiny holes. They're not all that much bigger than venting holes anyway.
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Nice Moto. I have a '74 Le Champion that I've converted to 650B. No, I'm not a purist ;-)

Anyway, I'd say since your frame is already drilled that you should just finish the job and install some rivnuts. They work - it's a well proven device. What's the worst case? If they get loose you can tighten them again, and failing at that you simply drill them out and remove them through the bottom bracket shell. You can always patch it up, but why not try to make use of it as it is?
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That's a shame Schnibop, but all is not lost. That's one cool bike. Look at it this way; if it was in mint condition, it might've cost a whole lot more!
Even with the mis-placed drillium, that's one rare bike. The sting will subside with time. I'm tempted to agree with Auchencrow on this one. Frame Saver,. some plugs and a standard clamp on cage.
Can't wait to see it all cleaned up.
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Originally Posted by shnibop

That's just plain gorgeous.
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Originally Posted by fender1
Bottle bosses and JBweld? (Not being a smart azz)
Yup - that would be my approach. YMMV

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i appreciate all the positive feedback everyone! i feel a rejuvenated energy for the Moto... i took that energy and put it to work...






every component was completely stripped down, every last piece. cleaned, lubed and reassembled. the rear derailleur operates so smoothly i can't imagine it performing any better right out of the box.

as you can see most of the steel/chrome bits look as good as new, some however just had too much rust/corrosion. overall i'm very happy with the way everything is shaping up, just the right amount of "character"


in regards to the bottle cage holes, i'll be going the clamp route as i previously suggested and auchencrow subsequently recommended. at this time i'm just going to leave them as is, reinstall the cage and not use it until i can source some clamps.


stay tuned for another update tomorrow (hopefully), i'll be throwing some parts on the frame tonight
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I love my your moto. The frame work is quite nice. Here is my grand record.


8 026 by barnstormerbikes, on Flickr


12 012 by barnstormerbikes, on Flickr

I personally would use the tape and bandclamp method also because of the 19/64 hole size required for a 5mm riv nut.
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I would install rivnuts, and call it a day.
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a few questions:
what stem do you have? is it french diameter?
what tires (and size) will you be putting on it?
is the top tube the same length as the seat tube? (curious, as i noticed my gr top tube is a little longer than the seat tube, maybe by a half inch.)
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ftwelder- your Moto is really beautiful! it has more of the crackly paint that i love so much! the black lugs on yellow look stunning.

also, you pretty much built it up perfectly.


eschlwc- you mean you didn't read through my massive first post for the answers? haha, just kidding.

the stem is an old logo Cinelli 1A, with a 22.2mm quill not 22mm.

not 100% on tires yet, i'm debating between Challenge Stradas (700x24) or something vintage in the 23-25 range. DrilliumDude turned me on to a guy he met at a local swap meet, suppose to have tons of vintage tubulars, still need to call him up.

the seat tube and top tube measure 57cm center to center.


update:


well i'm 90% there...

i took the bike for a quick run around the neighborhood, first impressions are good! feels very nimble and light, even on this clincher wheelset.














-currently waiting on the Campi hoods, coming straight from Italy, so who knows when they'll be here
-rootboy is hooking me up with some Super Champion Arc-en-Ciel polished tubular rims. i'll need to order spokes and build those up on the original hubs.
-need to decide on tires, order and install those
-need to find a 5-speed Regina freewheel
-install the NOS Regina Oro chain i've got (SRAM is just there for now)
-install bar tape
-cut and cap all the cables
-want to find old logo/crested Cinelli handlebars in 40cm+


the wheelset seen here is a stand in wheelset, i've had it kicking around for some time and will be swapped between the Motobecane and the Colnago when i don't feel like dealing with tubulars.

found some steel Campagnolo toe clips to use on the pedals DrilliumDude traded me a while back for some other build. then today, the Alfredo Binda straps i won showed up, replaced the crappy new Christophe straps i had in there last night. damn if the Bindas aren't almost impossible to fit through the pedals! they are however, easily the nicest straps i've owned, they feel very solid! oh, and i forgot to twist the strap in the DS pedal, ignore that, it's been fixed already.

happy to report that the headset feel 100% fine, i guess the small dimples in the lower cup and on the crown are bad enough to be noticed while riding.

i decided to use an I.S.C.A. Selle Competition saddle i've had around for some time as well. the original 3ttt just looked too beat up compared to how nicely the parts and paint cleaned up.


anyway, some of the parts could stand to be cleaned up a bit more, like the seat post and brake levers (sanded and polished to get rid of the 'stains' on the front face), but like i previously said, i want to keep it looking like a rider and not a show queen. maybe in the future, once i've owned and ridden it for a while, i'll change things up more to my liking. i would like to do some black in-fill on the shifters, RD and FD, back of the brake levers and crank flutes.

oh and before anyone mentions it, the seat post has 6cm of post inside the frame (no limit line marked). the limit lines on the loose Campi SR and NR posts i've got are 5.5cm, so i'm good

let me know what you all think. there will be further updates as the last few bits come in the mail

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Oh that is one hunk of orange gorgeousness Shinibop! Love it!
And you're going to love it even more, when you get the tubular tires on it to be sure.
- And once you have your tubeys installed, make darn sure you buy a pair of Rootboy's tire savers for it - (They add 110% to the cool factor).

BTW - I went with Vittoria Rallys on my LeChampion - no regrets. I'm sure there are better, more expensive tires but if you are really going to RIDE this beauty, you have to consider the cost-utility equation.
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Hate to be a heart breaker but your Champion Team is a 1973 model not a 1974.

Here's why:

1. your bike has a Milremo fork crown. The 1974-76 Champion Team bikes used Fischer fork crowns.

2. The 1973 bikes had the black stripe on the seat stay caps. Later models didn't.

3. The 1974 and later CTs used an angled fillet shape where the forks and stays meet the dropouts. Your's has the classic French "fish mouth" cuts used on most better quality French bikes back then.

4. The 1974-76 CTs used a chincy foil sticker on the head tube and seat tube. The 1973 CTs had a metal Moto badge.

I wouldn't fret over your bike being a 1973 instead of a 1974 model. The 1973 bikes are FAR more rare! ;-)

Here's a link to a compilation of pictures of 1974 to 1983 Moto Champion Team and Team Champions that I put together. Note the 1978 and several of the 1980s bikes are mine, the rest are not.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...7624510044572/

The picture of the half chrome socks on the CT in the 1974 catalog is an anomaly. It's a 1973 model. I've never seen a CT with chrome forks. Printing plates were very expensive back then, especially color ones so bike makers tended to reuse pictures from previous years.

There were no bicycle component conformance police. That was the height of the bike boom and makers used what they could get! "Specifications are subject to change without notice." was the norm for the day.

Something that I and several other folks have determined is that the 1974-76 CTs and Le Champions used the same frame except for the chrome "socks" on the Le Champion forks.

I've lusted after an orange 1974-76 Champion Team since 1974. There was a Schwinn dealer that also sold Mototecanes located about 1/2 mile from our shop. It was run by twin brothers. For all the local events one of them rode a Paramount and the other an orange Champion Team bike.

I have 2 1974 Le Champions and I've bee tempted to have one painted orange now that CT decals are available.

Here's some of my Le Champions. Again, the turquoise and the 1973 silver bikes are not mine.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...7624512584662/

BTW, I wouldn't worry about the small WB holes in the down tube. Rivnuts or tape will both work fine but I've seen Rivnuts come loose.

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[QUOTE=shnibop;14092318]

Absolutely stunning Schnibop. Fantastic condition. Looks fast just standing there!
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"I've never seen a CT with chrome forks. "

As usual, you're a wealth of information Vertyg. I might take issue with one point, though. Not to jump Schnibop's thread here but...Sure, you've seen a Champion Team with chrome socks. This one;



I am assuming Schnibop's fine machine is a bit younger than mine, but would appreciate your input. Despite your contention that the earlier examples had metal head badges, this one has, as you see, a "chintzy" foil badge. Also, this example sports what I presume to be the earlier font/graphic used for the Motobecane name on the down tube, rather than what I think of as the later,larger block lettering. BTW, this bike has all pre-73 components on it, FWIW.
Like I say Alex, don't mean to hijack your thread. Fine the comparisons interesting though.
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This kind of thing is what drew me to BF C&V. Beautiful bicycle, in great hands.
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Chrome Forks on a Champion Team

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Originally Posted by verktyg
"I've never seen a CT with chrome forks. "

As usual, you're a wealth of information Vertyg. I might take issue with one point, though. Not to jump Schnibop's thread here but...Sure, you've seen a Champion Team with chrome socks. This one;



I am assuming Schnibop's fine machine is a bit younger than mine, but would appreciate your input. Despite your contention that the earlier examples had metal head badges, this one has, as you see, a "chintzy" foil badge. Also, this example sports what I presume to be the earlier font/graphic used for the Motobecane name on the down tube, rather than what I think of as the later,larger block lettering. BTW, this bike has all pre-73 components on it, FWIW.
Like I say Alex, don't mean to hijack your thread. Fine the comparisons interesting though.
Rootboy, you're right.

I remember seeing your bike on the web last year and I think that we talked about it but I didn't remember the chrome forks.

The 1974 and later Champion Team and Team Champions didn't have chrome forks untill the 80s when they were completely chrome plated.

The bike pictured in the 1974 Motobecane catalog is actually a 1973 model, like yours.

The 1974-76 models had the square block letters on the down tube.

BTW, early Champion Team bikes were extremely scarce. I remember seeing at least one orange bike marked Team Champion instead Champion Team. I was told that the few made for the US market said Team Champion.

Also, both of my 1974 Le Champions have the chincy foil stickers for head badges.

The 1977 Team Champion used a Tricolore red, blue and silver foil "M" for a head tube badge. They were made with Reynolds 753 tubing just for that one year.

The 1978 Team Champions had glued on plastic Motobecane head badges and were made of Columbus SL tubing from that time on.

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Originally Posted by shnibop
2. born and raised in France, i felt the need to own something from my homeland haha
Where abouts?

PS. Great work on the build plus your other builds too!

I love these orange Motobecane's, It on my to find list
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Originally Posted by verktyg
Hate to be a heart breaker but your Champion Team is a 1973 model not a 1974.
I'm glad there's people like this around sometimes... I'll check your Le Champion, I have one going back together now.
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Originally Posted by verktyg

The 1977 Team Champion used a Tricolore red, blue and silver foil "M" for a head tube badge. They were made with Reynolds 753 tubing just for that one year.
And IIRC, they were blue with some really ghastly graphics.

I still want one, ghastly or not...LOL
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Originally Posted by verktyg

The bike pictured in the 1974 Motobecane catalog is actually a 1973 model, like yours.

The 1974-76 models had the square block letters on the down tube.
Ok Chas. So now you're confusing me So, is mine a 73 and Schnibop's with the block lettering 74?

Not that it matters much of course. They's all cool
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Oh and, p.s. Vertyg, as for painting your Le Champion orange... as long as it's NOT one of those beautiful Silver Lilac ones!
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