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Old 12-09-15, 08:17 AM
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Not sure myself, Oldscool, as I'm unfamiliar with that one.

I think I'd start here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Test...NHjHGv1dGdM%3A

Testors enamel is not the ideal stuff, as it wasn't formulated for exterior or hard use. But for very small touch ups, I think it's OK. Plus, it's the only thing available in such small amounts.
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Going off of satbuilder's frameset pic on the previous page I would say offhand that the chevy engine orange is close but maybe Schwinn "orange peeler" is closer yet. Trouble is, with touchup you want it spot on whereas a repaint would be less obvious. Wish I could help.
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Here's some close ups of mine, in daylight. FWIW.




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After touching up a couple spots and letting the paint dry for a few days, I can say that the gloss orange rustoleum is about as close a match as could be had. There may be other alternatives, but once the paint cures and I get it wetted out with 2000 grit paper and polished, I am sure the results will be virtually indistinguishable from the original paint, unless viewed from a close distance under critical light. I'm really not too worried about it as there is orange peel on the seat stays near the seat cluster, and a small run on the non drive side chain stay near the bottom bracket connection. Even factory paint jobs had their flaws.

I have tried the local automotive paint shop to have my Mexico scanned for a color match. Because the frame (and fork) are circular, this presents a problem for the computer as all you really get in focus is line contact. Most paint matching done at auto paint shops usually requires a flat surface for a really good match. Luckily, Joe Bell had published the color match for Colnago Blue and Gios Blue in some thread on another bike board a long time ago. Colnago Blue was obtained by spraying over a white basecoat, while Gios Blue was over a red basecoat. House of Kolor Marine Blue SG-110 is the match. To my eye, it was a pretty good match. And I would rather touch up than send it out for a repaint, if possible. It's only original once, but even with touchup, that's a debatable topic...

So I spent days with the orange paint, starting out with each color I had, mixing different combinations, and letting dry on waxed paper, peeling it off and matching it to the frame. This was before I had found the Rustoleum gloss orange. After spraying some out and letting it cure, it became very obvious to me this was the color match I was looking for.

I do take this stuff seriously. So far I have not been able to find a Kelly Green match for my Mercier, so I have left it in it's original state of patina, rather than risk a bad touchup.

I feel very fortunate to even have found a Motobecane CT, both in my size, and condition, after being around for 41 years. I just happened to be looking at the right time, as the night before I had not seen one. I guess it pays to be diligent.
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Originally Posted by rootboy
Here's some close ups of mine, in daylight. FWIW.




Scott, that's beautiful. Mine's not quite that nice, not do I have a camera that could show the level of detail you have shown in these photos.
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
...Luckily, Joe Bell had published the color match for Colnago Blue and Gios Blue in some thread on another bike board a long time ago. Colnago Blue was obtained by spraying over a white basecoat, while Gios Blue was over a red basecoat. House of Kolor Marine Blue SG-110 is the match.
Is that thread still findable? I'm looking for paint codes to match a '76 Colnago orange. Thanks. - John
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Here's a link, but it doesn't help you with matching the orange, unfortunately.

https://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.as...10305.1437.eml

This might help you, though.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showth...Molteni+orange

By mistake, the place in which I purchased the Porsche Signal Orange sent me two bottles of touch up paint. If you're in the neighborhood anytime soon, you're welcome to it. I'm down in Owings, Calvert County. Near Chesapeake Beach.

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Per the Motobecanes, is conventional wisdom going to be that getting the lugged generally 1970s versions are going to be better than getting the early-mid '80s inexternal brazed versions all other factors being equal (such as tubing say)? Are the lugged versions that much better? They certainly look better and more classic I'd say, obviously.

1984 Le Champion with Inexternal Brazing: (link removed, not linking) https://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/

Thanks for any responses.

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Originally Posted by rootboy
Here's some close ups of mine, in daylight. FWIW.




Sorry, but can you wipe my droll off of your monitor....

That's about the best looking TC I've ever seen. Do yo have enough wall space to hang it up?

WOW!

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Lugged vs. Lugless Moto Frames

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Inexternal brazing is a euphemistic phrase for production furnace brazing, a process that has been used on bike frames, metal furniture and myriad of other consumer products for many years. It's a cheap manufacturing process but it usually works satisfactorily.

In the early 80's Motobecane, Peugeot and Gitane introduced a lot of "lugless" lower priced models to compete against Asian made lugged frame models coming into the European market.

By 1983, all of Motobecane's models in the US catalog had lugless frames except the Grad Touring and the Team Champion.

"Preforms" made of brazing material are placed inside and outside of the tubes. The tubes are either furnace brazed or held in an automated fixture and machine brazed; the brazing material melts and forms a lugless bond.

First picture is Motobecanes Inexternal process, second is Peugeot's




For me, those kinds of lugless frames have lost any semblance of a hand crafted product. The frames are not much more than Huffys or other department store bikes with Columbus tubing rather than gas pipes.

I've never seen a failure in one of those 1980's French lugless frames but I'd heard that Trek had problems with some of the Gitane bikes they were marketing back then.

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Thank you. That certainly quells a lot of the curiosity I had had. I very much appreciate your taking the time for such an informative answer.

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New old guy-old orange bike-both need help

I am a relatively new member and today I upgraded to allow photos to be uploaded per instructions and I have tried but site will not allow upload from my ipad. I have been reading and trying to learn more about my orange CT/TC(maybe ,74). Iím going to try again to upload one picture but not sure its going to work. Iím hoping for a restoration project but have no experience with same. Please bear with me and any advice on picture upload appreciated...I have enjoyed reading about all of your bikes-here goes

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Nope-site cannot upload my photo/s-sorry. I’ll try again if I learn more about posting images
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Originally Posted by Elcieguy
Nope-site cannot upload my photo/s-sorry. Iíll try again if I learn more about posting images
HI, welcome aboard, glad to have you, especially if you have a Moto CT/TC to show us.

Many of us are having pic issues with the new software. Aside from the fact that you may need 10 posts for pics even with the paid subscription.

That being said, this is a zombie thread so I would encourage you to start a new one of your own and go to others to say "Hi" and get your post count up.
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Originally Posted by Elcieguy
Nope-site cannot upload my photo/s-sorry. I’ll try again if I learn more about posting images
I use Flickr and here's how it works:

Click on your image. You should see a set of four icons at lower right, one of which is an outline of an arrow. If you hover on it, it will say 'share photo.' Click that.

You should now see a window with four share options. Select the one that says BBCode (that's usually the default for me). You should now have a link displayed, or you can choose the photo size to alter the link. Once you have done that, copy the link.

Paste that link directly into the BF 'reply to thread' window. Do not use the 'insert photo' icon.

That's it. Works for me anyway. I know that allegedly one can post directly from saved files without using a 3rd party host site. I can't say whether or not that works at all, but the one time I tried it from my phone, no dice. I just tested the above method from a desktop and it worked fine.

Would love to see pics of the TC/CT. Lots of fans around here.

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new rule for this thread... if you say you have a Team Champion, Champion Team or Le Champion... you must post pics. clean or dirty, restored or not
Well, I can't be accused of moving too fast on this rebuild project but I did decide to keep the Champion Team. We both go back too far to give this bike up. I did manage to find my original bill of sale and I got the selling price wrong. It was $710, not $800. I was side tracked by a few years of track cycling and a few more collecting high end Fuji bikes from the 1980's but am now turning my attention back to the Moto. When I get it done, I will post images if there is anybody still trolling this thread to see them. I also need to update my list of bikes. I sold many of them but wish I could have kept at least one of the two very rare and nearly perfect Fuji Professional SR's. Such is life.

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Originally Posted by Varooom
Box Arrived! Some mock up pics from 2 weeks ago and vintage wheel build. Started cleaning frame. Ready to reassemble bars, pedals, wheel.

Rootboy, Any special (over the counter) orange you recommend for touch up. I can match custom but I thought I would ask first. Also please help me upload pics like you.






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Yep, it was a Moto track frame just like this that I should NEVER have let get past me. What are the odds of finding another? Slim to none?

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Originally Posted by ggl205



Well, I can't be accused of moving too fast on this rebuild project but I did decide to keep the Champion Team. We both go back too far to give this bike up. I did manage to find my original bill of sale and I got the selling price wrong. It was $710, not $800. I was side tracked by a few years of track cycling and a few more collecting high end Fuji bikes from the 1980's but am now turning my attention back to the Moto. When I get it done, I will post images if there is anybody still trolling this thread to see them. I also need to update my list of bikes. I sold many of them but wish I could have kept at least one of the two very rare and nearly perfect Fuji Professional SR's. Such is life.

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cool! Do you know the year of that receipt?
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Originally Posted by due ruote

cool! Do you know the year of that receipt?
I too found it odd there was no date on the receipt but it had to be early 1970's. That is when we moved from Sacramento to Orange County, CA.

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I too found it odd there was no date on the receipt but it had to be early 1970's. That is when we moved from Sacramento to Orange County, CA.

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interesting. $680 in 1973 dollars would be about $3900 today.

I bought my 1978 Team through a friendís shop sponsor for $500. I was told that was 1/2 price but who knows.
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Originally Posted by due ruote

interesting. $680 in 1973 dollars would be about $3900 today.

I bought my 1978 Team through a friendís shop sponsor for $500. I was told that was 1/2 price but who knows.
Indeed! $700 for a bicycle in the early 1970's was a lot of money on a high school teachers salary but I was doing some racing and wanted a decent bike. I was partial to Paramount racing bikes back then (still am as a vintage bike) but could not find one in my size. The Moto was displayed in the front window so I walked in and listened to that still, small voice tell me it should be mine.

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Moto TC/CT thread- thankyou for your advice & to others as well

[QUOTE=merziac;20313466]HI, welcome aboard, glad to have you, especially if you have a Moto CT/TC to show us.

Many of us are having pic issues with the new software. Aside from the fact that you may need 10 posts for pics even with the paid subscription.

That being said, this is a zombie thread so I would encourage you to start a new one of your own and go to others to say "Hi" and get your post count up.[/Q
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Thanx to due ruote , merziac, and one other for trying to help in uploading pictures-not sure I can get to 10 posts with nothing else to say without pictures, no technical expertise to share. I now have a Paypal acct. and a Flickr acct. so I'll be ready! Oh boy-anyway glad to read new post by members on old thread
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Thanx to due ruote , merziac, and one other for trying to help in uploading pictures-not sure I can get to 10 posts with nothing else to say without pictures, no technical expertise to share. I now have a Paypal acct. and a Flickr acct. so I'll be ready! Oh boy-anyway glad to read new post by members on old thread
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