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Why are these shifters worth so much on Ebay? Shimano Deore LX 3x7 flatbar

Old 04-13-12, 10:41 AM
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Why are these shifters worth so much on Ebay? Shimano Deore LX 3x7 flatbar

I am in the process of fixing up my Univega hybrid bike. I removed the funky stem shifter and went to my bike coop yesterday to look for some nifty indexing flatbar shifters.

I found a nice set that I wanted. They had short throw high tension levers (cantilever/caliper pull) and 3x7 speed. They were the Shimano Deore LX 3x7 shifters. They weren't working (very badly gummed up and hardly moved) so I got them for 5 dollars.

Got home and was messing around with my score. Used a bunch of WD40 and cleaned them up and got them working perfectly. Awesome. I was happy. Threw them on the Univega and they look so nice. They work much better than the lower end thumb shifters like the GS200 series models which I also like as well though. Need to get new cables.

Now i got curious and look on Ebay to see how much they are worth. I figured 15-20 dollars tops.

Nope, they sell for around 40-60 dollars a set. I was rather taken aback by that. What makes these so special to be worth that much? And what I was looking on Ebay, I was looking at completed green auctions, not unbought buy-it-nows.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...vip=true&rt=nc

I don't get it. I'm almost thinking of not using them on my Univega only because the Univega is a cheap beater bike that I got for 30 dollars and was thinking about selling if my son doesn't want it.

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Probably because they're "RARE!!!!!"
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Not to be dismissive, but they're not exactly wildly valuable. 7-speed XT thumb shifters typically fetch similar prices. They commonly get gummed up and discarded, I think that accounts for at least some of the demand.
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do they make these anymore? no.

so you can get an 8-speed set for even more and forego the one gear, or just get these.
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Old 04-13-12, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris_in_Miami View Post
Not to be dismissive, but they're not exactly wildly valuable. 7-speed XT thumb shifters typically fetch similar prices. They commonly get gummed up and discarded, I think that accounts for at least some of the demand.
I know what you mean. I still see that you can buy new 7 speed shifters from various sources so why the draw on a 15 year old 7 speed shifter. To me 50 dollars is a high price for something that isn't worth that much. If I was going to pay 30-40 dollars for shifters, i would have just bought a set of new Sram 3x7 speed shifters.

I just liked the shifters I got after they were cleaned up/working and was looking on ebay to possibly buy another set just to have for another project bike and figured they would be 10-15 dollars.
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I suspect some of it has to do with the brake lever and shifter not being separate as other models are. I have these on my '93 Scott mtb. They work pretty well. When I was thinking of upgrading it was going to be new levers and shifters which I didn't want to spend the cash on (it was going to be around $200). So, in the scheme of things for me - $50 or so would have been more economical to keep with the same set up I have on the bike. In the end, I worked some Tri-Flow through them a couple of times and they started shifting flawlessly. I ride it 2-3 times a week in the summer and fall.
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Huh, I just donated a set of those to the LBS (which is also a charity). I figured they weren't worth enough to sell, but would come in handy to fix up an older donated MTB with. eBay is unintuitive sometimes.
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Old 04-13-12, 12:23 PM
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They don't make them anymore and they never will again. I paid less for NOS, but that was 2-3 years ago.
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Personally, I do not care for them. I much prefer the Tourney 7 speed trigger shifters, $13 for shifters, cables and housings. They are indexed rear, friction front, which I also prefer over indexed front.

+1 I do like the early indexed Shimano thumb shifters. I grab them any chance I get.

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I built up a commuter MTB at the co-op I volunteer at and found a set of these shifters in the parts pile. I love them and all the vintage MTB heads who have seen my bike have ooh-ed and awww-ed over them. then i looked them up on eBay and got the sticker shock.

for the reasons why, I think the reasons listed so far cover it. to add my two cents, there aren't any decent friction thumbshifters on the market these days, certainly none with the level of quality found in the early top of the line ones from Shimano and Suntour. when I was looking around, all I could find were Falcon and Sunrace models with cheap plastic bodies. so yeah, these shifters combine quality and rarity, ergo the high price.
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Old 04-13-12, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
They don't make them anymore and they never will again. I paid less for NOS, but that was 2-3 years ago.
I guess i see the point. I mean Sram still makes a couple of lines of new 3x7 index shifters for flat bars that are cheaper but if you want to maintain the originality of your bike, you will pay more.

I guess i just don't look at '90s era mountain bikes as being so collectable that one would want to restore to as new from store or keep in original configuration. i would have no qualms about putting a Sram 7 speed shifter in place of a Shimano if my Shimano shifter broke on a '90s era MTB/hybrid.
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I think the price on Ebay is fair.

First, considering the effort in writing the ad, assuming the risk associated with the transaction, getting the old shifters working to an acceptable standard, incl. cleaning, not to mention boxing up and going to the post office.
Could someone not want to be compensated $20 for all that? That's on top of the seller's fee, plus the value of the low-use shifters-in-the-rough that might have been pulled from a shop's dumpster but that still had to be located!

A fair price IMO, but I would sell a clean, lubed-up set locally for around $35 myself.

As far as substituting 8-speed shifters, I would definitely avoid this for any 7-speed bike that was going to get frequent or lengthy use.
The somewhat sub-standard shifting performance and phantom shift click gets a bit annoying in every day use, if only because I'm spoilt by riding bikes with more-correct componentry.

The Tourney 7-speed shifters I'm familiar with are what I would call indexed thumb shifters. I keep a couple of bagged sets around, great prices on those!
I also keep an inventory of 7-speed Acera, Altus, Alivio, STX, etc. Rapidfire-Plus trigger shifters on hand that the local shops have discarded due to gumming.
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Actually the same seller has a nice "VINTAGE 1988 CANNONDALE BLACK LIGHTNING SR-700 ORIGINAL ROAD BIKE FRAME FORK" that would be a nice catch at $130 or so......

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Ebay is an auction, so they were Bid Up..
unfortunately now the charity shops use the internet, see those prices,
and so raise their prices, too.
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Originally Posted by dddd View Post



As far as substituting 8-speed shifters, I would definitely avoid this for any 7-speed bike that was going to get frequent or lengthy use.
The somewhat sub-standard shifting performance and phantom shift click gets a bit annoying in every day use, if only because I'm spoilt by riding bikes with more-correct componentry.
Have you actually tried it? The fact that you mention a Phantom shift click leads me to believe that you haven't. There is no phantom shift click. Cable tension prevents it. I've been using 8 speed shimano shifters for 7 speed for years and the shifting performance is far from substandard.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
Have you actually tried it? Cable tension prevents it.
FWIW, you can set it up two different ways. Mine (STI road levers, not thumb shifters) have a phantom click. They also work 100% up to standard. :-)
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If you're going to quote me, please don't edit so as to change the meaning.

There is only one way to set it up correctly.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
If you're going to quote me, please don't edit so as to change the meaning.

There is only one way to set it up correctly.
I don't know anything about road shifters but i have to agree with you in regards to setting up 8 sp shifters to use 7 sp cassettes.

As far as i know, the 7sp cassettes spacing is so close to 8sp cassettes that the cable pull per shift is just about the same. So you can setup your shifter to use 7 out of 8 speeds. And the 8th shift gets locked out by properly adjusting the hi/low limit screws.

I know I had my other mountain bike setup like that and it shifted perfectly fine. I had a 7 sp cassette with a Shimano 8 sp shifter. I could not shift into 8 because the cable tension against the limit screw prevented it.
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There is a serious problem with having the 8th click locked out against the lo-limit screw.

The cable is plenty elastic enough to allow accessing that 8th click, but with the very high level of cable tension the shifter usually then won't release the cable, and you're locked into low gear until the cable tension is somehow eased.
This is more of a problem on bikes that are ridden in tough conditions, where the rider isn't able to so precisely limit the force that is applied to the lever, and you can nearly bet that it will happen on the first ride by an unfamiliar rider.

I've seen bikes set up this way come back for service an hour later when the shifter couldn't be shifted in either direction, and it goes without saying that this sustained high level of cable tension disturbed the cable adjustment, which was already a sensitive issue with the mis-matched (7-8sp) components.

Even Shimano has had issues with this problem on certain front indexing road STI shifters (where the same shifter is spec'd for double and triple operation, but is used with a double crankset).
I've found that customers with this setup (2/3sp shifter with R600 shifters in one case) needed to keep their cable tension set with the 2nd click coming fully up to the hi-limit screw (i.e. none of the usual small amount of overshift allowed).
If the cable tension slacks off enough to allow a click even to the "trim" position of hi gear (big ring), the shifter locks up hard, and many are known to have broken and became warranty claims. This problem was acknowledged and addressed in Shimano tech bulletins iir just a few years ago after dealers requested an addition to the modest warranty period of the affected components. The shifter breakage is less likely with the rear shifter because of the smaller cable-pull increment and the longer cable both limiting the peak force on the cable.

This isn't a case of gross operator error, it just happens and so requires an extra level of caution when shifting.

I've set up bikes with the 8-speed shifters and 7-speed freewheel. The shifting wasn't terrible, but the cable tension adjustment could be felt to be on the loose and tight sides depending on which end of the freewheel the chain was on, somewhat annoying and enough to cause crunching shifts during hi-effort riding. On a less-well cared for bike though, the point of failure-to-shift would likely come much sooner during the service interval.

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Yeah, I've no problems running my ST-2303 with a compact double, but the 7sp freewheel. . meh. Yeah, there's an extra click. I thought it made more sense to use the h screw than the l screw to limit the derailleur.

I guess a person can use either.

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Deore was top or the line group in the early 90's. I have a Trek multitrack with the deore shifters, derailers. they are very responsive and positive. thats why they have value. Good stuff
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Wow 3x7's man that is rare stuff those can fix a first gen XTR
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Deore was top or the line group in the early 90's. I have a Trek multitrack with the deore shifters, derailers. they are very responsive and positive. thats why they have value. Good stuff
I had Deore DX on a mountain bike, and I never had problems with it. I went looking for DX components and they were few and pricey on ebay. To fully equip a bike with used DX components would cost about $350. I later found a used bike equipped with Deore DX.
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Originally Posted by Catnap View Post
to add my two cents, there aren't any decent friction thumbshifters on the market these days, certainly none with the level of quality found in the early top of the line ones from Shimano and Suntour. when I was looking around, all I could find were Falcon and Sunrace models with cheap plastic bodies. so yeah, these shifters combine quality and rarity, ergo the high price.
There are NOS Deore XT thumb shifters that come up on ebay frequently. They usually sell for $100/pair. I've never owned those, but i borrowed a bike with them for a weekend and they are very nice.
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I have a pair of Deore LX 3x8 all in one shifters and brake levers for sale. Very good condition. Just put them on EBAY. All ready have 15 watchers! Should be interesting. I just asked my bike shop owner friend if I needed a good quality 8sp shifter to replace those if they were broken he said that he would only have much lower quality stuff to sell me. That is why they would be in demand.

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