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Old 04-16-12, 11:50 AM
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Mixing Old and New

I have a road frame from English builder Swinnerton. The frame is made from Columbus Max tubing and has a Power Fork that is also made from Columbus Max tubing. I bought the bike at an auction and since I didn't recognize the name, I bought it for the parts, which were a full group of 6 speed Campy C-Record including Delta brakes.

I striped the bike and sold the C-Record group on eBay. I got a hold of Swinnerton and they said the bike was built for John Herety, former UK road racer, Tour de France rider and current Rapha-Condor-Sharp Team Manager, so there is some provenance there.

I just bought a partial 7800 Dura-Ace group, brakes, brifters, crankset and front derailleur and now I have to decide on a frame.

Do you think the Swinnerton would be a good fit for the Dura-Ace group? Would the newer components fit the older frame (mid 80's??)?

Thanks for the input,
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Old 04-16-12, 12:07 PM
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I don't see any reason you can't convert that to modern parts, as many of us have done with older frames. You just need cable stops where the downtube shifters are, and decide if you want to coldset the frame to 130mm, or leave at 126mm and spread it a tiny bit whenever you insert a wheel. That's what I do with my steel & Cannondale.
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Only areas of concern with those newer components on older frames:

- Rear stay spacing may be an issue. It'll need to be 130 mm for a newer 10 speed group like Dura-Ace 7800. You can adjust this yourself if it is required.
- That frame takes a braze on front derailleur.
- bottom bracket English or Italian.

I can't see other issues based on the pictures.
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No issues. Check out the "retro roadies" thread here for lots of inspiration.

Can we see some more pictures of that frame? Looks very interesting.
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I built up my 1987 Schwinn Prologue with all DA 7700 components, except for the crank, which is a newer style hollowtech external bearing bb design. I think it looks good, really good.
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I don't understand something.... you didn't recognize the maker so you bought the bike for the parts which you sold off. That does not make sense to me.

Personally I would have left the C-Record on it and rode it as it. This is a very interesting MAX frame. I have seen lugged and luggless but this is the first chromed fork and the oddest seat... seattube/toptube/seatstay arrangement I have ever seen on a MAX.

I also think it is kind of neat that bike most of us would be drooling over a classic road racing "Sunday go the bagel shop" bike the previous owner seems to have s=it set up as workhorse daily commuter.



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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I don't understand something.... you didn't recognize the maker so you bought the bike for the parts which you sold off. That does not make sense to me.

Personally I would have left the C-Record on it and rode it as it.
I saw the Campy Delta brakes and new they were worth good money. I saw the other Campy components and since I am a bit of a noob when it comes to road bikes, I bought it with the intention of selling the components. It was only afterwards did I find out the frame has a history.

As for leaving it alone and riding it, I am sorry to say I am not much of a rider. I build and sell. I don't do much, maybe 10 bikes a summer, it's a hobby, not a business.

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No issues. Check out the "retro roadies" thread here for lots of inspiration.

Can we see some more pictures of that frame? Looks very interesting.
Te frame is a bit of a basket case. Rusty chrome, but only spots, the kind 0000 steel wool would get rid of. Also, a dent on the top tube, but nothing that takes away from the integrity of the frame. It also needs some paint touch ups and a good cleaning. The top tube and the downtube are interesting. They start oval left to right and by the other end of the tube, they are oval up and down.

Here pics, remember, it needs a good cleaning and paint touch-ups...











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This is the Dura-Ace group I bought today ($200), that I was thinking of putting on the Swinnerton.

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First off, that frameset is awesome. Looks stiff and totally unique. The fork is massive!

I think that DA will look excellent on it - what wheels?
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A very interesting frame indeed. Appears to be my size too...if you decide to pass it along I might be interested.

Amazing deal on that DA group and it will look / work great on that frame. Go for it!
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If anyone is interested, here is a pic with the frame measurements.

Any ideas as to how much I should ask for it? I looked around the net and only found two bikes for sale that had Max tubing, one a Pinnarello and the other a Merckx.
These frames were a little over the $1000 area, but I doubt my frame would be there as the maker is not well known. and the condition leaves a little to be desired, soon to be rectified.

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