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Identifying bike as Marinoni, need some help please!!

Old 05-07-12, 02:19 PM
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Identifying bike as Marinoni, need some help please!!

Hey guys,

picked up this bike at a flea market for $75. The old guy told me this was an Italian bike but couldn't remember the name of it. I saw the M etched into the tops of the fork so I said "Marinoni" and he said "YEAH! That's it!". I knew it wasnt Italian and actually from Quebec - I live about a 20 minute drive from Marinoni. Anyhow I bought it. Bike is light, in perfect shape and either way - it was a great deal with a set of Ambrosio 19 Super Elite rims. I've had two Marinoni's before and never paid attention to the serial numbers and both bikes had completely different components.

The decals are missing on the bike and the components, a mix of Sakae and (nice) no name Shimano (levers Shimano z408) parts seem odd for a Marinoni. The serial number is odd too. The only thing I found were "EO" or "E0" on the bottom of the bottom bracket area. At first I thought maybe the forks were from a Marinoni and the frame wasnt but the bike is a 64 cm frame so finding a frame to match a long Marinoni fork would seem unlikely. I emailed Marinoni with the info and am waiting to hear from them. The only decal on the bike was from a shop which I called but I guess this was some time ago and they mainly sell sports equipment now and the present operators knew little of bikes sold there some 20 years ago.

I ran across another no name bike with Ishiwata Mangy tubing a while ago that had very similar parts.

Any advice from you guys and girls?
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Old 05-07-12, 03:10 PM
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That doesn't look like the M pantograph on my Marinoni at all. It looks more like this: ​M
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I think it is a Macaroni




more pics? close ups of other details? what are the dropouts?
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I have owned several Marinoni bicycles, including my 1976 Marinoni Quebec (my name for it) and my 2000 Marinoni Squadra. There have been a few others, but those two made it into my personal collection.

Is the OP's bike a Marinoni? Not sure, but pictures of frame details would certainly be a help...

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There are typically other "M" pantographs on the bike, usually the BB and/seat stay caps. You can try contacting Marinoni with the serial number; if it isn't on the BB shell try looking on the fork steerer.

Nice deal, regardless of what it is.
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Hey everyone, thanks for the info. For some reason I totally missed the serial number on the seat tube near the bottom bracket. Starts with "AS" followed by 6 digits. I contacted Marinoni with the new info and hopefully I'll hear from them first. I'll take a few more pics once I'm home tonight. Extra info off the top of my head - It has the two adjuster screws on the dropouts. It has a Laprade SR seatpost which, if original, I think would date the bike to the mid/late 70's. I've also seen other Marinoni's with the exact same seatpost not that the seat post wasnt used with other bikes obviously.

Anyhow, will get back with more photos and if I hear from Marinoni I'll post the info up as well.
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almost positive it's no Marinoni, but we need the usual clues like BB threading (and shell width) seat post size, any marking on the fork steerer (have you removed it yet?) and good detail pics.
Without anything along those lines, the only clue I think I pick up on is the long seatstay cap, which I associate with British frames.
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Yeah, sorry. The steerer tube reads 'Tange 4L" and about half an inch over that there's "E". I wouldn't find it hard to believe that it wasnt a Marinoni but I don't think it's a British bike.
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Whatever it is, that is a nice bike and big frame for $75. I wouldn't pass it up.

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Originally Posted by meneermalik
Yeah, sorry. The steerer tube reads 'Tange 4L" and about half an inch over that there's "E". I wouldn't find it hard to believe that it wasnt a Marinoni but I don't think it's a British bike.
well, I didn't say it was a good guess...for those we need good clues (like the stuff mentioned above).

The good clue you have stamped on the steerer says that it's a Tange steerer, probably also a Tange fork but that doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the frame is Tange tubing (or Japanese). Aside from selling lots of replacement forks Tange also supplied lots of builders and companies with forks made-to-order (or off the rack). I believe that 4L refers to the (big) size steerer...which you know.

The only "M" I ever see on true Marinoni frames has always been a serif font, but reversed with the thick stroke on the "wrong side", never a sans-serif M like this forkcrown has.
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i have seen tange noni's before. Tange #2. and I know they would build bikes with tange prestige as well, but not necessarily branded marinoni.

i don't think it's a british bike either. not a lot of them around in québec.

could be a marinoni.... we need more pics close up.
i have never encountered a marinoni with this mix of pieces, which is entry level japanese stuff. i think the lowest end nonis used all-RX100 from shimano (and nothing from the Z-series)

bonne chance !
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It definitely isn't a Marinoni. Just got an email from them saying it wasn't one of their serial numbers. Just gotta figure out who made it now lol. I've seen grouped components very similar to this on a lot of Miyata's though I've never seen a Miyata with an engraved fork crown. The Ambrosio 19 rims are most likely an add on after purchase.

The M's on the fork crown are a mystery, outside of that I'd say it was a Bianchi. From doing a bit of research there's a few mid 80's Bianchi out there with the serial number on the seat tube that starts with "AS" and is followed six digits, same as this bike. The shifter levers on the bike were also only produced in the mid 80's (Shimano z408's) which would be consistent with the Bianchi "AS" serial numbers on the Japanese made bikes in the mid 80's.

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Not sure if the OP got his answer already, but that etched M is from a Miele, another Italian frame maker established in Canada. Good luck with the serial number as I believe Miele didn't keep a catalog from the time Jim Miele was alive.
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It does look like a Miele pantograph... another option though would be Mikado which is another local builder? I have one of their touring bikes and all the labels are gone, I went through the same rollercoaster of emotions! My Mikado is a nice riding bike although I have yet to fix it to my tastes, only identifier on it is an "M" on the fork. Still waiting for a nice steel Marinoni to come into my possession.
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Originally Posted by meneermalik
...I've never seen a Miyata with an engraved fork crown
They are engraved on some models, but it's usually the full name. I believe Koga Miyatas use a sans M in a gear.


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Im also leaning towards it being a Miele. Take a look at this link for a Miele with the same panto'd M on the fork
https://www.pistescyclables.ca/bikes/VA971/card.html

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It’s a Miele. Worth about 75$ IMO. Not a Marinoni

t’s a Miele. Worth about 75$ IMO. Not a Marinon
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The Montreal area is a reasonably hot bike market. I'd bet that if you listed that Miele for sale you'd receive a lot more than $75 Canadian for that bike. It may not be top of the line but it would sell for a decent profit.

You could add photos on this thread and someone there will probably know the model

Official "Miele show-off" thread, or: calling all Torontonians!
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Market is cool this year here on vintage bikes for some reason. I agree it may fetch more than 75 but I’ve Seen Miele with campy gear go for 150-200
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...So if it's worth $75 now you're saying he overpaid 11 years ago when this thread was created?
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