Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Servicing/Replacing Sealed Bearings (Tips, Advice?)

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Servicing/Replacing Sealed Bearings (Tips, Advice?)

Old 05-15-12, 12:26 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
gaucho777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 7,261

Bikes: '72 Cilo Pacer, '72 Gitane Gran Tourisme, '72 Peugeot PX10, '73 Speedwell Ti, '74 Peugeot UE-8, '75 Peugeot PR-10L, '80 Colnago Super, '85 De Rosa Pro, '86 Look Equipe 753, '86 Look KG86, '89 Parkpre Team, '90 Parkpre Team MTB, '90 Merlin

Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 838 Post(s)
Liked 2,189 Times in 562 Posts
Servicing/Replacing Sealed Bearings (Tips, Advice?)

I'm more of a cup & cone guy, but I have a few vintage items with sealed bearings in need of servicing (Weyless pedals, Hi-E hubs, Phil Wood BB, Mavic 501 hubs). I've never serviced anything with a sealed bearing. I don't really know where to start. I realize it is recommended to send in Phil Wood BBs to Phil Wood for servicing. But, at least for the other items, what do I need to know before I begin? Also, where do you buy your replacement sealed bearing cartridges? How do you determine the correct size? Any special tools required?

Also, the Mavic hubs are still smooth after 25 years, but I know there's old grease in there. Would you keep running them until they drag, or go ahead and replace the sealed bearings now as a precautionary measure?

Thanks in advance.
__________________
-Randy

'72 Cilo Pacer '72 Peugeot PX10 '73 Speedwell Ti '74 Nishiki Competition '74 Peugeot UE-8 '86 Look Equipe 753 '86 Look KG86 '89 Parkpre Team Road '90 Parkpre Team MTB '90 Merlin Ti

Avatar photo courtesy of jeffveloart.com, contact: contact: jeffnil8 (at) gmail.com.
gaucho777 is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 12:43 PM
  #2  
Game Warden of Love
 
Talus's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Western Pennsyltucky
Posts: 234
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm interested in this as well, I've got 2 sets of wheels with sealed Shimano 600 hubs.
Talus is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 12:49 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Posts: 8,343
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
I too am subscribing. I have several first gen Phil Wood hubs, that while feel good, should probably be serviced.

Talus, Shimano has never produced a cartridge bearing hub, just cup and cone hubs with plastic seals to keep away dirt.
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 12:58 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
squirtdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 9,902

Bikes: Kirk Custom JK Special, '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque

Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2357 Post(s)
Liked 2,878 Times in 1,570 Posts
Originally Posted by Talus
I'm interested in this as well, I've got 2 sets of wheels with sealed Shimano 600 hubs.
OK, I could be wrong here. but there is sealed and sealed.

I have set of "sealed" shimano 600 ultegra hubs, that are standard ball and cone, with a little rubber seal to keep crud out.

and then there is sealed like in a sealed cartridge bottom bracket, which is basically modular unit and is not designed to be serviced ( or at least not easily) most just get replaced, but I can see rebuilding a Phil.

not to say that some wheels aren't sealed as in hard to service, but the term seems to have different definitions.
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)



squirtdad is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 12:59 PM
  #5  
Game Warden of Love
 
Talus's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Western Pennsyltucky
Posts: 234
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd

Talus, Shimano has never produced a cartridge bearing hub, just cup and cone hubs with plastic seals to keep away dirt.
So the "Sealed mechanism" hubs can be opened and serviced? Yes I'm a VERY greenhorn wrench...
Talus is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 01:00 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Posts: 8,343
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Talus
So the "Sealed mechanism" hubs can be opened and serviced?
Yessir. Just remove that grey, plastic piece with it's business as usual.
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 01:02 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
miamijim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 13,954
Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 413 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 109 Times in 78 Posts
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...sealed+bearing
miamijim is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 01:20 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
gaucho777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 7,261

Bikes: '72 Cilo Pacer, '72 Gitane Gran Tourisme, '72 Peugeot PX10, '73 Speedwell Ti, '74 Peugeot UE-8, '75 Peugeot PR-10L, '80 Colnago Super, '85 De Rosa Pro, '86 Look Equipe 753, '86 Look KG86, '89 Parkpre Team, '90 Parkpre Team MTB, '90 Merlin

Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 838 Post(s)
Liked 2,189 Times in 562 Posts
^Jim, Thanks for the link and your detailed write-up therein.
__________________
-Randy

'72 Cilo Pacer '72 Peugeot PX10 '73 Speedwell Ti '74 Nishiki Competition '74 Peugeot UE-8 '86 Look Equipe 753 '86 Look KG86 '89 Parkpre Team Road '90 Parkpre Team MTB '90 Merlin Ti

Avatar photo courtesy of jeffveloart.com, contact: contact: jeffnil8 (at) gmail.com.
gaucho777 is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 01:25 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Posts: 8,343
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
+1 Good stuff.
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 02:00 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Minnesota- the frozen tundra
Posts: 1,946

Bikes: 1977 Raleigh Super Grand Prix, 1976 Gitane Tour de France

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
The wheels on my sons Viscount have sealed cartridge bearings in them and they appear to be original, they spin smoothly, quietly and seem to spin forever so I'm not touching them.

It also has sealed cartridge bearings in the bottom bracket and I did replace those because they felt a bit rough, turns out one had a small bit of rust from storage at some point but the other was perfect.

I have to say it's now the smoothest peddaling bike I've ever seen, keep in mind that I have zero experience with modern bikes.
SteveSGP is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 02:15 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 9,592

Bikes: '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 73 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1617 Post(s)
Liked 2,225 Times in 1,110 Posts
I have one set of the 501's. Always was impressed with the HF Record but these are great equivalents with no service requirements other than replacing the bearing cartridge!
SJX426 is offline  
Old 05-15-12, 02:19 PM
  #12  
gna
Count Orlok Member
 
gna's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,819

Bikes: Raleigh Sports, Raleigh Twenty, Raleigh Wyoming, Raleigh DL1, Schwinn Winter Bike

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
Liked 177 Times in 97 Posts
Originally Posted by FORDSVTPARTS
The wheels on my sons Viscount have sealed cartridge bearings in them and they appear to be original, they spin smoothly, quietly and seem to spin forever so I'm not touching them.

It also has sealed cartridge bearings in the bottom bracket and I did replace those because they felt a bit rough, turns out one had a small bit of rust from storage at some point but the other was perfect.

I have to say it's now the smoothest peddaling bike I've ever seen, keep in mind that I have zero experience with modern bikes.
What's the fork like?
gna is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bowlofsalad
General Cycling Discussion
38
03-27-15 10:44 AM
rothenfield1
Bicycle Mechanics
21
09-29-14 03:46 PM
djb
Bicycle Mechanics
69
02-08-14 05:27 AM
Nooch
Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
3
07-20-11 06:53 PM
Sequimite
Bicycle Mechanics
4
08-06-10 12:31 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.