Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

fake headsets

Old 05-21-12, 03:07 AM
  #1  
ftwelder
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ftwelder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: vermont
Posts: 3,091

Bikes: Many

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
fake headsets

I run into a challenge once in a while trying to display or store my frames with the fork. I had thought about making a couple of fake headsets that loosely fit 1" head tubes and forks. Just something to take up the space and look something like a headset with no threads. Perhaps a plastic wing nut to retain the fork.

This sounds like something that should already exist or did at some point. Any ideas?
ftwelder is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 05:17 AM
  #2  
miamijim
Senior Member
 
miamijim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 13,923
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 323 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
In all my years I've never seen anything like that but think its a great idea.
miamijim is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 05:20 AM
  #3  
cuda2k
Unique Vintage Steel
 
cuda2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Allen, TX
Posts: 11,522

Bikes: Kirk Frameworks JKS-C, Serotta Nova, Gazelle AB-Frame, Fuji Team Issue, Surly Straggler

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I know Dave Kirk uses something to protect the finish of the frame/fork when photographing his finished frames w/o a headset installed. Looks like black plastic something or another. May drop him a line and see what he uses to see if it will fit your needs (his bikes use a 1" steerer, threadless though), or at least a point in the right direction.
cuda2k is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 05:27 AM
  #4  
IthaDan 
Senior Member
 
IthaDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 4,915

Bikes: Click on the #YOLO

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Can you lathe something like a skateboard wheel (or piece of derlin)? Comes in black and white.
__________________

Shimano : Click :: Campy : Snap :: SRAM : Bang
IthaDan is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 05:28 AM
  #5  
flyingscot1f
Newbie
 
flyingscot1f's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
VAR used to do a large wing nut for safe display of F&F display , doubt you will find them these days, try your local plumbing supply store, the will have soft nylon nuts in various sizes , you may not get the correct thread but they are so soft its very easy to to use an old steerer as a tap to re-size the threads in the nut , lots of pipe reducers etc too that can be used at the crown race to stop any damage ,
http://www.bluemay.co.uk/plastic_fas...ed_bushes.html , scroll down for 25.4 ID 30mm OD top hats to act as a fake h/set
best regs,

Last edited by flyingscot1f; 05-21-12 at 05:33 AM. Reason: more info
flyingscot1f is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 05:52 AM
  #6  
repechage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,341
Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 936 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 11 Posts
I have seen some machined "spacers" for centering a headset, the upper had a set screw to keep things together.

At a shop I used to work at long long ago we used collars cut from Grab-On foam handlebar grips, the thicker ones that a serious rider would never be caught using save one with hand nerve damage... anyway, cut to about 1.50" lengths they force slide on the steerer, soft, no paint issues, and the upper collar held in place quite well due to the threaded steerers of the day and the slight force fit. I thought it was pretty clever at the time.
repechage is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 05:55 AM
  #7  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 23,500

Bikes: http://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 314 Post(s)
Liked 82 Times in 69 Posts
I happened across a gasket in the plumbing department at Ace Hardware recently (didn't buy it) that I've seen used before. Can't recall its name; will have to go back and check.

My '82 Superior had one on it when I bought it:



-Kurt
__________________
cudak888 is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 08:57 AM
  #8  
mudboy
Senior Member
 
mudboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Collegeville, PA
Posts: 1,352

Bikes: Ruckelshaus Randonneur, Specialized Allez (early 90's, steel), Ruckelshaus Path Bomber currently being built

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yeah, mostly I see something similar to what Kurt has pictured. I wish I had a half dozen or so. Maybe I need to go troll the plumbing aisle at Lowe's before work tomorrow.
mudboy is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 08:58 AM
  #9  
Shimagnolo
Senior Member
 
Shimagnolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Zang's Spur, CO
Posts: 8,756
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1571 Post(s)
Liked 64 Times in 44 Posts
I have a set of plastic parts like that which came with a frame.

Actually, I just double-checked and the parts are rubber.

Last edited by Shimagnolo; 05-21-12 at 10:42 AM.
Shimagnolo is online now  
Old 05-21-12, 09:35 AM
  #10  
southpawboston 
Senior Member
 
southpawboston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Somerville, MA and Catskill Mtns
Posts: 4,026
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I would fabricate a plastic or rubber disk to fit where the crown race would seat, much like in the photo above, then just wrap a zip-tie tightly around the steerer tube where it exits the top of the head tube. The zip tie holds the fork from falling out, and the disk prevents paint damage at the fork crown.
__________________
Velo Lumino - Lighting components and integration solutions for fine hand-built and classically inspired bicycles

Riding the Catskills blog

Flickr

1971 Mercian Olympic | 1972 Jeunet 630 | 1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain | 1984 Shogun 1500 650B | 2013 Rawland Stag | 2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise | 2015 Bike Friday Haul-a-Day
southpawboston is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 10:02 AM
  #11  
Bianchigirll 
Bianchi Goddess
 
Bianchigirll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Fort Wayne, In
Posts: 25,633

Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.

Mentioned: 94 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1265 Post(s)
Liked 39 Times in 30 Posts
Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
I have a set of plastic parts like that which came with a frame.
Some one used to make something like this. You should check with whoever you get your tubing and other parts from.
__________________
Bianchis '87 Sport SX, '90 Proto, '90 Campione del Fausto Giamondi Specialisma Italiano Mundo, '91 Boarala 'cross, '93 Project 3, '86 Volpe, '97 Ti Megatube, , '90 something Vento 603,

Others but still loved,; '80 RIGI, '80 Batavus Professional, '87 Cornelo, '09 Motobecane SOLD, '?? Jane Doe (still on the drawing board), '90ish Haro Escape
Bianchigirll is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 01:36 PM
  #12  
Der_Kruscher
Senior Member
 
Der_Kruscher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 117
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
To me any work to fabricate something for this purpose is too much when spent innertubes and zip ties are so plentiful in my house.
Der_Kruscher is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 02:27 PM
  #13  
IthaDan 
Senior Member
 
IthaDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 4,915

Bikes: Click on the #YOLO

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
If I was selling frames for four figures and upwards I'd figure out how to lathe a non cupped top and bottom cup out of Derlin and would chase a chrome locknut until it was wide open so I could hand tighten it down and put the frame on display.
__________________

Shimano : Click :: Campy : Snap :: SRAM : Bang
IthaDan is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 02:40 PM
  #14  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,620
Mentioned: 75 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 493 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by IthaDan View Post
If I was selling frames for four figures and upwards I'd figure out how to lathe a non cupped top and bottom cup out of Derlin and would chase a chrome locknut until it was wide open so I could hand tighten it down and put the frame on display.
I'll bet Frank has something like this in mind. Something elegant, but simple to make. Wonder how much a 2 inch rod of Nylon or Delrin would cost, Frank?
rootboy is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 03:47 PM
  #15  
IthaDan 
Senior Member
 
IthaDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 4,915

Bikes: Click on the #YOLO

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
I'll bet Frank has something like this in mind. Something elegant, but simple to make. Wonder how much a 2 inch rod of Nylon or Delrin would cost, Frank?
Would probably have to do it out of a sheet, rods that size can be tough to get a hold of.
__________________

Shimano : Click :: Campy : Snap :: SRAM : Bang
IthaDan is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 04:43 PM
  #16  
ftwelder
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ftwelder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: vermont
Posts: 3,091

Bikes: Many

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Some one used to make something like this. You should check with whoever you get your tubing and other parts from.
I checked a couple of places and didn't find anything.


I sent an 8' bar of 2" diameter white delrin up to the machine shop. I designed a part shaped a bit like a lower head stack with an o-ring inside to provide some resistance on a 1" bar and clearance for the race land.

I guess I will get about 90 pieces. Two will be required for each frame. so enough for 45 frames.


I can make more if you guys need some

Last edited by ftwelder; 05-21-12 at 04:49 PM.
ftwelder is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 04:54 PM
  #17  
IthaDan 
Senior Member
 
IthaDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 4,915

Bikes: Click on the #YOLO

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Hey frank, can I come up to VT, stay out of the way and just sweep the floor or something? I'd love to just follow you around for a day or two. I'm sure you could find a way to find me useful. I've got family up there and I'll be passing through this summer.
__________________

Shimano : Click :: Campy : Snap :: SRAM : Bang
IthaDan is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 06:08 PM
  #18  
ftwelder
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ftwelder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: vermont
Posts: 3,091

Bikes: Many

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by IthaDan View Post
Hey frank, can I come up to VT, stay out of the way and just sweep the floor or something? I'd love to just follow you around for a day or two. I'm sure you could find a way to find me useful. I've got family up there and I'll be passing through this summer.
Perhaps later in the summer. Things are crazy right now. shoot me an email.
ftwelder is offline  
Old 05-21-12, 09:10 PM
  #19  
unworthy1
Stop reading my posts!
 
unworthy1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,244
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 348 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I happened across a gasket in the plumbing department at Ace Hardware recently (didn't buy it) that I've seen used before. Can't recall its name; will have to go back and check.




I bought at least 2 frames that used that same plumbing part, but never bothered to track it down.
It must be something pretty common to show up this often, IIRC it's a tight enough fit for the top unit to hold the fork in place for "normal" handling.
I bought at least 2 frames that used that same plumbing part, but never bothered to track it down.
It must be something pretty common to show up this often, IIRC it's a tight enough fit for the top unit to hold the fork in place for "normal" handling.
unworthy1 is offline  
Old 05-22-12, 07:52 AM
  #20  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 23,500

Bikes: http://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 314 Post(s)
Liked 82 Times in 69 Posts
Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
I bought at least 2 frames that used that same plumbing part, but never bothered to track it down.
It must be something pretty common to show up this often, IIRC it's a tight enough fit for the top unit to hold the fork in place for "normal" handling.
I'll pick one up at ACE Hardware or Shell Lumber the next time I'm at either establishment.

-Kurt
__________________
cudak888 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Road Fan
Great Lakes
6
08-24-07 08:11 PM
stabbypete
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
1
09-07-05 06:15 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.