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Old 05-29-12, 01:55 PM
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Can anyone help date this Dayton Elite

I have a Dayton Elite, which I did up when I was at uni 1980's. The frame is double butted 531, and the forks are also 531. It was originally designed for 26" wheels not 27". I have found some people on the web with Dayton Elites but there are a few differences which I think may help date it.

I am certain of the make, model and frame material because when I started all the original transfers were present, it was the DB531 frame forks and stays transfer that made me think about doing it up. When the frame was stripped the tubes actually had some manufacturers detail' I cant remember exactly' but it confirmed Reynolds 531.

The frame had a distinctive Dayton transfer on the seat tube with a micrometer forming a D for Dayton. and the badge on the head says Daton Cycle Co London, same as all the others I have seen, BUT
on all the others the centre of the badge is again this Micrometer D, mine has what appers to be crossed swords and a rifle.

Also looking at the photos I have just taken the rear dropouts are an unusual design with a noticeable 'spur' sticking down.

Hopefully the attached photo may assist. Any information greatly appreciated
I have asked on another forum but I would like as much assistanceas possible

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If it's Reynolds 531, all I can offer is that it's post 1935.

Did it come with any additional components? These are helpful in identifying time frames.
Additional pics might help too- (eg., bottom bracket, seat cluster, head lugs.)
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Old 05-29-12, 03:28 PM
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Hi Auchen,

The frame used to hang on the wall of my dads old garage, as a frame with just the forks and a bottom bracket present. very little else.
I have another picture, sadly not too good but as you will see the lugs are pretty basic, but the rear dropout design is the one that I have never seen on a bike elsewhere.
The head bearings were replaced when I did it up because the old ones were badly pitted.
I suppose when I started it looked vaguely similar to this except it was in a timber garage not a concrete one.
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Chris - This is a huge stretch based on that crummy snapshot, but if that horrid, huge, rear reflector is original, and the Reynolds label has the (looks like) TI industries gold bar beneath it, then the bike would probably be mid-seventies.


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Old 05-30-12, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
Chris - This is a huge stretch based on that crummy snapshot, but if that horrid, huge, rear reflector is original, and the Reynolds label has the (looks like) TI industries gold bar beneath it, then the bike would probably be mid-seventies.


Guess I should have put a few other bits of information with it, the brakes, reflector gearchangers are all later additions when I did it up in the early 80's, the reynolds decal does as you say have a TI gold bar underneath, it is actually one they supplied for resprays, and somewhere on it has the word respray, which I seem to remember getting from TI, but can't remember what details I had to supply.
I seem to recall the original was similar to this link https://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/reyno...ubeOldAqua.jpg.

I suppose what interests me is the unusual dropout design which may give a clue to the age.
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Frame restoration Dayton Elite - looking for decal images
I inherited a bike with an almost identical frame to the one shown by ChrisN above.

Despite the bike having been much modified over the years, my Dayton frame has a few specific features:
- Dropouts with spurs below
- Head badge with micrometer design
- Chromed lower forks
- Seat tube pinch is part of the frame
- Lugs below the crossbar to hold the rear brake cable
- Original I believe Brooks B17 saddle & tapered cranks
- Simplex derailleur, 5 speed
- Amalgam welded joints
- Pump holder lugs on the down tube
- AF 7581 stamped under the bottom bracket

Since mine is so close to Chris' frame I assume it is also an Elite and not a Roadmaster or other Dayton model.
Before I get the frame repainted I would be interested if anyone has a photo of a "lustre violet, maroon or copper beige" coloured amalgam frame mentioned elsewhere in Dayton brochures.
Also if anyone has a good quality photo of the frame decals I would really appreciate a copy.
Thanks!

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Hi Zaiets,
The restoration on mine was done as close as possible to the original colours that were on the frame, the Decals on mine were reproduced as close as possible to the originals by hand using gummed paper (to allow a water slide) as the backing and then clear varnish and paint. The Dayton lettering was a white Lettraset script of almost the correct style and size.
As I mentioned in my earlier text the frame had sat in my dads garage for about 15 years when I decided to do it up in the early 80s and the paintwork was pitted and shoddy but original. Nowadays people would have left it as original but its too late for that now.What is noticable about yours is the lugless construction, and style of head tube logo compared to mine.
Out of interest what size wheels is in yours? after putting (squeezing) 27 x 1 1/4 whhels into mine the clearance between the tyre and the fork crown was about 3mm, no room for mudguards.

I would be interested to hear if you get any other feedback

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Dear Chris, thanks for your feedback.
My bike has 27 x 1 1/4 wheels.
I also just realised the derailleur is an early 1960s plastic Simplex Prestige, so almost nothing is original about my bike.
I'm going to send some of the photos I have found to my uncle, its original owner, hoping to jog his memory.
I am assuming the amalgam frames like mine were produced soon after the war, and Dayton moved later to conventional lugged construction.
I'll let you know if I learn anything more.
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Hi Andy,

I have been doing some further research and in a Dayton catalogue 1949-50 from the V-CC there are some articles that may be of interest.
Extract1 shows the specification for the Elite with Amalgam frame and 27" wheels but Extract2 shows that the Elite could be available with lugged construction and DB 531 frame on 26" wheels. This is a great relief to me as some other correspondents elsewhere had suggested the colour was wrong and the frame had the wrong lugs on the fork crown and the frame wasn't an amalgam frame. I just wish I had taken photos before I had stripped it down. Hope these amy be of assistance
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if the bike has components with two-digit date codes, the vintage trek website can help translate them.
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I appreciate the feedback, but from what I can see the vintage trek website is purely for Trek cycles, and begins in 1976, unfortunately it doesn't cover any thing dating back to 1949/50 or any UK cycle manufacturers
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Thanks Chris
i wasn't able to open the links on my iPad but will try again next time I'm at my computer.
Oldbike.eu has lots of photos of a 1955 Roadmaster with the same letters as mine it appears on the bottom bracket, ie. AF so maybe that signifies 1955 for Daytons. Also with a lugless frame.
What is stamped on your bottom bracket? And by the way what derailleur do you have? I will probably look for a more original one, if I can be sure of the year of the frame.
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I have little or nothing to contribute, but please know I'm following the thread with interest!

I have a Dayton "Massed Start" leather saddle that I bought with the intention of restoring, but it's in better condition than I'd expected, so I won't be restoring it anytime soon. Was there a Dayton model called "massed start?" The name suggests an early 1950's date.

"Amalgam welded" is, I assume, what we today call "fillet brazed," and was sometimes called "bronze welded" or just "welded." It was popular just before and after WW2, becoming less common after the early 1950's, but never disappearing completely.

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Hello Chris, I couldn't manage to open the attachments you posted, could you have another go?
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Amalgam process used aWW2 aircraft construction, a lot of amps to zap the frame tubes together ive heard many broke but were still light. There's 2 in my possession 1947 and 1951 I was told. I did finish creating the filigree design and took ages! Other stuff got in the way to share this. Now in bed with a miserable cold. Alexei ? Has an Elite in Russia with with the filigree and AMALGAM transfers (wwanted). Ian Harland has done the Road master capital letter downtube version but he completely renovated the paint. Ive preserved my script version as its still legible. Only original once!
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Originally Posted by zaiets
Thanks Chris
i wasn't able to open the links on my iPad but will try again next time I'm at my computer.
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Andy I have tried re-saving the attachments as PDFs and Jpegs, lets see if this helps.

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Thank you gents,
I was able to read the attachments this time Chris, that's very helpful. I recognise a lot of the details on the amalgam framed Elite spec. which are the same as mine.
Could I bother you once more about the letters stamped under the bottom brackets of your Daytons?
As mentioned before mine is marked AF.
Secondly I would be really interested to get photos of the script lettering you used, to find the right typeface. I will be doing a full repaint unfortunately. My relative says my bike definitely didn't have the filigree design and probably was the same as Chris' and the description of the Elite above.
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Dayton transfer talk

It's nowApril 2021! Recent ebay purchase...Roadmaster Amalgam AR2160 white with red panels. If only the code could be solved. I suspect much later model with Huret and 5 sp. Came with original heavy steel 27 x1 1/4" rims and Dayton hubs. I had another wheel SA AW 3 plus 4 sprockets gives more options than the 5 sprockets alone. Huret Svelto. GB Sport Mk3 caliper brakes and Arrêt levers. Swapped for 700c but these only JUST make contact with the brake rim surface. Downtube panel has Roadmaster in script (gold/bronze) and lots of small crowns! Head tube cast motif with red tube background and many small crowns. This also on seat tube without large or small filigree design! Odd little bits of filigree on fork blades and at ends of panels. Nicklin 48T fluted, chamfered. Rat traps NO clips. Bristol bum splitter saddle on alloy plain pin. GB Maes and steel stem. I have created Dayton Cycles Company Ltd of London on Facebook to unite all the owners of extant machines.
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