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Amesja 06-04-12 12:53 PM

Akisu fork on non-Nottingham Raleigh 3-speed?
 
Was working on one of my restorations and noticed that the fork on this Raleigh 3-speed has Akisu stamped on the steer tube. The fork is definitely the original fork on this bike as it is color-matched and the R decals on the fork match the decals on the rest of the frame. The Seatpost says "Raleigh Carbon-Steel Tubing" and other than a couple of 3-speed and Raleigh decals there is no other sign as to country of origin. The Headbadge has the typical XXXXXXXXX where Nottingham England would be on a Nottingham-built bike.

The lugwork and paint is gorgeous on both the frame, and the fork. There is even some VERY well-done gold detail in the lugwork over the teal-metallic paint. The fenders & chainguard are also very, very nice. The finish is about 6 orders of magnitude better than Nottingham bikes (OK, I exagerate -probably only about 3 or 4 orders of magnitude.) The only flaw in the finish is some grease-staining that for some reason wouldn't even polish out with scratch-X. Must have been some toxic grease!

Other than being a non-Nottingham bike I don't know much else but this is shaping up to be a very nice restoration for someone. The hub is marked 80 1 so I'm assuming this bike was a USA import in 1980/81 if the wheel is original.

My question is: Did Raleigh ever have frames/forks/fenders/etc made in Japan or was this some weird fluke of a bike made in Taiwan where they got behind making forks and bought a load of them from Akisu. Did Akisu make forks in Taiwan for a while in the early 80's?

I'm curious. Never seen this before. I assumed this was a Taiwan Raleigh but the Akisu marking sort of makes me wonder.

Pics will follow as soon as they get done downloading.

cudak888 06-04-12 12:57 PM

What's the serial number?

-Kurt

Amesja 06-04-12 01:05 PM

It's stamped brightly and clearly on the BB (like a boss) by someone who actually cared about it being legible.

M00637XXX -I left the last 3 numbers off because I'm weird like that. I"ll PM you the rest

cudak888 06-04-12 01:07 PM

Made in Malaysia.

-Kurt

Amesja 06-04-12 01:14 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...73_Chicago.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...31_Chicago.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...28_Chicago.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...99_Chicago.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g...3-50-47_16.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J...26_Chicago.jpg

cudak888 06-04-12 01:18 PM

Yep, I've seen these before. They don't look anything like a Nottingham Sports.

There's a few of them that have wound up in the States; enough so that I suspect that they were regularly imported when they were new.

-Kurt

Amesja 06-04-12 01:25 PM

Yeah, the dead give-away on them is the XXXXXXXX on the headbadge, and the fact that the tubes are not parallel like the Nottingham-bikes. It's probably stonger to have more of a triangle-shape to the two tubes as they come off the head-tube and move toward the lugs on the seat tube.

Also the lack of the heron-crank -although this crank is actually a replacement as the crank that came with it was pretty mangled and twisted. Working bikes charged me $15 for this one. It would have been nice to find a heron-crank but after digging for 1/2 hour through the cottered cranksets I only found 2 single-chainwheel ones and neither was a heron chainwheel. I had to fudge a little on the axle too as I couldn't find one exactly right. It's a bit too long on the non-drive side and a couple mm too wide between the races too -which should be obvious looking at the pics.

Funny that a Malaysia-built bike has so much better fit & finish than the Nottingham ones. They were sure producing some crappy finishes by the end, weren't they?

cudak888 06-04-12 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14312409)
Funny that a Malaysia-built bike has so much better fit & finish than the Nottingham ones. They were sure producing some crappy finishes by the end, weren't they?

I'm not surprised. Everything made after 1964 is suspect, in my book - even the TI transition frames are a bit of a let down in comparison to the Raleigh Industries production.

With a 68mm BB though, it seems a shoe-in to put a 3-piece crankset on it - not really worth it to fiddle with a cottered job on a Japanese frame, don't you think?

-Kurt

Amesja 06-04-12 01:32 PM

Oh, and the rims are different too. They didn't mess around with the Raleigh-pattern rims and just put on typical flat chromed-steel ones.

As much as I like the Raleigh Sports design I can't help thinking that these Pacific-rim built versions from the late-70's/early-80's were actually better bikes. Put a new set of CR-18's on this bike and maybe some alloy bars and it'd be just as good as any dutch bike you could buy for $1k IMHO. Put an X-FDD dyno brake hub on it while you are at the wheel upgrade and it'd be a killer city/commuter bike for all weather.

Amesja 06-04-12 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 14312433)
I'm not surprised. Everything made after 1964 is suspect, in my book - even the TI transition frames are a bit of a let down in comparison to the Raleigh Industries production.

With a 68mm BB though, it seems a shoe-in to put a 3-piece crankset on it - not really worth it to fiddle with a cottered job on a Japanese frame, don't you think?

-Kurt

While I completely agree with the first part the second statement is high blaspheme! Prepare for Cottered-Crank Jihad!!!!!

cudak888 06-04-12 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14312460)
While I completely agree with the first part the second statement is high blaspheme! Prepare for Cottered-Crank Jihad!!!!!

:innocent:

http://www.kurtkaminer.com/raleigh_coastersport_bdc.jpg

Joking aside, I just realized that the Raleigh USA Sport is probably made by the same subcontractor, even though there are a few differences (fork crown, chainguard, seatstay ends).

-Kurt

Amesja 06-04-12 01:44 PM

With a modern alloy crankset, alloy bars, levers, stem, rims, brake-calipers -plus plastic fenders and chainguard I bet a bike like this would weigh-in with a pretty respectable number compared to many modern IGH bikes you can buy.

This frame is pretty nice and very light for a lugged steel frame. The rest of the bike, other than the rear hub, could well be jettisoned to build a lightweight step-through commuter.

cudak888 06-04-12 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14312519)
With a modern alloy crankset, alloy bars, levers, stem, rims, brake-calipers -plus plastic fenders and chainguard I bet a bike like this would weigh-in with a pretty respectable number compared to many modern IGH bikes you can buy.

This frame is pretty nice and very light for a lugged steel frame. The rest of the bike, other than the rear hub, could well be jettisoned to build a lightweight step-through commuter.

Oh, no doubt about it - and likely better built and finished than most modern IGH machines too. In fact, modern upgrades on these machines wouldn't be difficult if it wasn't for the EA3 wheel size - unlike 700C's, you can't buy used aluminum EA3's cheap.

Come to think of it, does the Malaysian frame have enough clearance for 700C's if the fenders are mounted?

-Kurt

JohnDThompson 06-04-12 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14312460)
While I completely agree with the first part the second statement is high blaspheme! Prepare for Cottered-Crank Jihad!!!!!

Oh-oh. I put a cotterless crank on my daughter's Nottingham Sports:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/frankenbike/completed.jpg

Of course, it was in major need of rehabilitation when I got it:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/sports-project.jpg

Amesja 06-04-12 07:24 PM

JohnDThompson -what did you do with the 26tpi threaded BB? Did you reuse the cups and find the right square-taper bb axle or did you use one of those threadless Gran Cru VO things?

Screaminmeemer 06-04-12 07:36 PM

I have a 1991 (I think) Bianchi Forza I purchased new. Always well taken care of. Any idea what it's worth?

JohnDThompson 06-05-12 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14314071)
what did you do with the 26tpi threaded BB? Did you reuse the cups and find the right square-taper bb axle or did you use one of those threadless Gran Cru VO things?

There were no cups when I got the frame, but I sourced a set of 26tpi cups to use and found a Stronglight 122 spindle that worked perfectly:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/franken...22-spindle.jpg

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/frankenbike/lockring.jpg

Amesja 06-05-12 08:31 AM

Gee, that's purdy.

There is a place near me with boxes and drawers of used parts. I have a thread-pitch gauge and one of these days I'm going to dig through them and find a bunch of 26tpi cups. Every time I am missing one it's a big deal finding them. The last time I was there I got too busy digging through other bins (like the cottered-crank bins) and didn't get to the cups. I did find an old eggbeater pedal that I bought for a buck for spare parts and half of a Shorty 6 canti. I bought them both. Odds are that someday the other halves of those might end up floating to the tops of one of the MANY MANY bins...

w1gfh 06-05-12 11:05 AM

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