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Old 08-14-17, 02:00 PM
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It was cool the first few miles and I was grateful for my rain shell. Had to get it off in a hurry when we turned south. My biggest problem was a lack of electrolytes was causing my left knee to be really sore. I was limping pretty bad after I got back to the pavilion, although I could somehow make the cranks go around. I was lucky that someone gave me a few while on the last part of the 100 section before the 150 turnoff. And also that the last 150 section was pretty short. A big dose of electrolytes when I got home and the next day my knee was just fine. Lesson learned- bring more electrolytes then you think you'll need!

The first rest stop farm was like a park. The houses across the street from the soldier's park (Mineral Point) are really cool. As I was headed out of Linden for the second time a local yelled at me 'you can do it!' which was encouraging. IMO the best descent was near the beginning of the second 150 loop.
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Not a single picture posted yet? The suspense is killing me.
How often do you see a 300SL, yet with a bike rack?! (Pic taken day of the DD / 6:00a)
Chatted with the proud owner and made the circle of connections. Then we switched topic to the ride, bikes and of course vintage came up. Fellow also has a Vitus, ally tubed and bonded lug -likely a 979. Hoping he joins the class for next year.

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It was a terrific day. You couldn't ask for better weather. It was great hanging out with a bunch of friends and swapping a few lies after the ride about how far and fast we all went. The food and beer was top notch.

And I felt so much better than after last year's ride, : ). Last year I did the ride with a cold and I couldn't sweat worth a damn. I used a triple and used the 28 tooth inside a few times but I found that a 36 middle running on a 30 tooth outer was plenty for this ride. The Mike Melton, which really is what the British would call an audax bike (it has room for 700 x 28c tires and fenders), is a real trooper that handles long distances as well as any bike I have ever ridden. It is a lovely bicycle to ride:
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I'll guarantee any pics above showing a grimace actually are a joyous pain.

Starting with the way cool banner and poster art, IAB may not have been physically there but was in spirit. It depicts a rider on an old lightweight 'honking' the driftless region, truly a perfect area for roadies.

Also at the top of my list is Robbie, his family, relatives and friends whom assisted and put on a wonderful spread of food and drinks Friday night. Thank you again. I indulged a serving of everything that was offered - three full plates plus a packed plate of desserts. Later Jerry lit the campfire while us slackers sat around under that cool Wis. summer air. Terrific host and more so. Only until then I finally was able to unwind after a pretty hectic last month. Seriously almost canceled going in the last days leading up to the weekend.

Retired to a neat old comfy home in Mineral Point and with five hours sleep, my internal bell went off and quickly zoned on the ride. Felt good. Miguel and I arrived early and ready. With the temp in the mid 50's I decided on wearing a windbreaker.

Funny to see a few among our gang scrambling yet the next moment we're waiting at the grid for them..... but unbeknown they were already gone! So much for the big photo op and I'm in our newly created second group 'vintage' and 150k start. Our group cracked some remarks and the announcer told us to get on with it and good luck.

The first miles were just beautiful with that morning sun lifting the glistening moisture off the rolling pastures. My fave time of day and where I just soaked up the scenery and smells, marginally hanging with the speedy pair of Kim on her Merckx Motorola and Randy on his incredible barn-find Masi GC.

Arrived to the first stop and couldn't believe the line at the PP's! What the? Then I looked around and spotted one depressed fellow next to his plastic bike with a complete fractured off seat post. Game over. Cruel but it crossed my mind to take a selfie next to that bike and my steel mount- hehe. Thought better and figured better not as this ride can bite back in a very bad way. No mishaps for me but others mentioned of another cracked up bike and its rashed rider. After that was a quick sector to the stop in Mineral Point. Plumbing, check / bike, check. Go.

Rode along with Miguel on his classy Melton and up to the stop in Linden. Had a nice fuel up with roast beef piled high sandwich and in rolls Daryl already wrapping up his loop... of the 200k. Daummm. Mind you, that Daryl was riding a vinti Bottechia with I'm guessing a low to mid 40's gear inch! Don't kid, this guy sandbags and again, think about how fast he is ON a bike like that! Mig and I headed separate ways and on came the first loop of the 150k. My left leg was telling me to lighten up and find a lower gear.

By the time I finished that loop and back into Linden, food was scarce and the crews were packing up. Left leg was fine and all the way to the finish. Two others rolled in on CF bikes, one was a UFO with the now banned non seat-tube. The UFO asked if he could join me (???) for the remaining portion of the 150k back loop. I snickered and replied he'll be sorry to miss the last call for brew by the time we get in. But I did head out before him and funny was never to be seen again. So, that either confirms rocket TT boy looked fast but wasn't or it was a 'genuine' UFO.

Chugged on and with Dodgeville town limits, passed Lands End and thought, yeah! But no.... just another five more or so thrown in for good measure. Some fellow on a Shiv came up on me chatted for awhile. He commented on our group and cool old bikes, mentions of an RB1 of his and just might give the vintage ride a chance at this event next time around. Only wished he could tow me in but best he hustle on. Then a trio on CF bikes passed me, was reeling them in but just didn't have enough left to catch the draft. Who was I kidding and why? Just a few clicks more to the finish. Always a feel good moment, rode right into the building and parked at the vintage display. Great day.

We cleaned up the display, enjoyed the live entertainment, sipped a few more cold ones and waited for Hodgy out on the 200k. He rolled in with a mile long smile. Awesome. Tells us the last rest stop was shutting down and tossed the water! He scooped the ice from a cooler and was enough to get him to the finish. Well done, Kris!

The route was well marked and clean roads. Only one area was sketchy. Passed a barn or some sort of fireworks factory, dropped into a fast descent with sweepers, the bright sun alternating between trees made it tricky visual while wearing shades. On top of that, you have some heavy brake modulating action and where motor vehicles do the same -creating divots in the asphalt. There was some dust / dry dirt runoff in the middle portion. Carrying speed but cautiously scrubbing it, the bike warned me over one of those asphalt recesses. Then I was into the dust sandy stuff, I released the brakes and let it ride baby.

Along with Dave (iab) we missed others of years past but was a pleasure meeting some new faces. There was Joe (Joel?) sporting toe-clips / cleats, team Renault / ELF jersey riding a Gitane he originally purchased in '72. The patina on his bike shows an owner who's obviously loved that machine since day one. Its as the bike rewards and gives back for caring and riding it! I thought it was really neat.

Then we had Jill, although longtime in the sport -many aspects, she's now bitten by the vintage fun and pretty sure she gets it. Won't go into all here but proud of this gal whom took a project on, first time of this type, including paint and building the bike! Early LeMond in tribute team Z livery. Specifically setup for her and climbing, stealth duty, she's got it all going on plus matching jersey 1991. B.W.T.M..... she came over early one day last week and assembled it, maybe only got a few miles in on it.... amazingly was set for this event! How does that magic happen? Awesome.

Now for P.H., well twice and we're familiar with the routine -LOL. His '72 Mondia was a last minute 'full preservation project' and its gorgeous. The irony and exactly as last year on his vintage Trek (ultimate last minute build), a downshifter clamp was slightly loose and slipped, throwing him off a shift. What happened later between his mechanical issue and SAG is something maybe he could explain. Lets just say for anyone planning to ride this event, no secret or regardless of bike, one absolutely needs to get everything done and prepped well in advance and most important, do a pre-ride shakedown.

My only regrets these gatherings go by too quick. Every bike was neato and unique. Doc flys in with bag in hand, zips open and assembles Schwinderella, ready to roll. Now that bike has some thought into it. Robbie and his outrageous Klein with nightmare to service - disappearing shift cables. Daryl and his other Bottechia -1989 'Blue Chip' investment. Ralph and that '64 Paramount w/ GB Coureur 66 clampers. Much more in bikes but anyways, we humbly ride them but deeply know there's more to it. Thanks all and hope we could do it again next year.
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Not much to add here, we all had a most excellent adventure! Echoing thanks to IAB and Robbietunes for the great organizational efforts, as well as to Robbie's sister Kay and her husband for the amazing spread on Friday night. Our digs in Mineral Point couldn't have been better, again thanks to Robbie's connections in town.


Saturday morning came very quickly, after Friday's dinner and conversation. Our 6:30 start meant a lot of very low light on a virtually cloudless day, which required a lot of faith in those ahead of you as we hit speeds up to 45mph on the initial downhills, all without being able to see the road surface as clearly as one would like to.


Wound up riding much of the time with Ralph and his 14 speed IGH Anderson and Joe on his '72 Gitane. Met up with Randy and Kris at rest stop #2 in Mineral Point:





The scenery was pretty amazing, even if you're not a city boy. Mostly rolling farmland:





Interspersed with fields of corn:





More corn:





Soybeans:





And the ever popular corn-and-soy combination:





Others have mentioned riding past the Lands End HQ, but that spot was memorable for me as a place to sit for a moment with Schwinderella under a shady tree and massage a foot cramp:





Anyway, great time had by all. I'll be back!
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Hands down my favorite riding weekend of the year. I learn more in a 10 minute in-person discussion than I can gather in a week of perusing the forum (not complaining about the forum!). You guys and gals are amazing, and inspiring. I'm already thinking about what the next project is going to be - and I have much better ideas this week. My overriding design goal is always fitness for purpose, and since there is no more criterium racing in my future, I no longer need to build a tight geometry low slung Italian beauty with 120 gear inches.

I can tell you another thing, it also wont have a low gear inch of 47. We were lucky the weather was so cooperative otherwise I would not have accomplished 209km (actual distance, 10,500 feet of climbing) on a vintage bike. This week my body is telling me "You got away with one Saturday, don't try that again."

Thanks again for the camaraderie, the inspiration and the cycling joy that you all bring with you.
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Don't take this wrong, C&V, but how anyone can follow this thread from start to finish and NOT decide to take at least once chance, one year with us at the Dare is a bit confusing.

Ask anyone on this thread; it's worth it.

Seriously. I could not ask for a better bunch of people to come and see my hometown, my friends and family, and ride the hills.

Seriously, I could not ask for a better place, town, and family to invite a bunch of people to see.

It works both ways.
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I'm still telling people you won the 200. The Klein passed the shakedown. Next year we relax all day.

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Hands down my favorite riding weekend of the year. I learn more in a 10 minute in-person discussion than I can gather in a week of perusing the forum (not complaining about the forum!). You guys and gals are amazing, and inspiring. I'm already thinking about what the next project is going to be - and I have much better ideas this week. My overriding design goal is always fitness for purpose, and since there is no more criterium racing in my future, I no longer need to build a tight geometry low slung Italian beauty with 120 gear inches.

I can tell you another thing, it also wont have a low gear inch of 47. We were lucky the weather was so cooperative otherwise I would not have accomplished 209km (actual distance, 10,500 feet of climbing) on a vintage bike. This week my body is telling me "You got away with one Saturday, don't try that again."

Thanks again for the camaraderie, the inspiration and the cycling joy that you all bring with you.
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Yeah, so (my wife) Wally asked me today "Do you think I'd enjoy going to Mineral Point while you ride?"

And my daughter, when showed the pics from the ride, said "So badass".
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When I did it in 2015 my wife enjoyed Mineral Point while I Rode. Really cute town!
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They need a route that goes to New Glarus and back --- with a layover to deal with the hangover of course.
Glad you guys enjoyed our humble state
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I love the pictures. Looks like a great time. Maybe next year?
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When I did it in 2015 my wife enjoyed Mineral Point while I Rode. Really cute town!
That's the arrangement my wife and I have whenever I "do a big ride." It really works out nicely.
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Great story crank_addict. I only can wonder what will he get you to build last minute for him next year? LOL
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Well I'm glad everyone had a fine time. I'm jealous as I spent that day still resting. The recuperation is coming along. I took my first pain-free ride since last year exactly 1 week ago and I did 45 minutes yesterday. Granted, it felt like 4 hours. I am not up to par just yet.

Also, thanks for the pictures and write ups. Very nice.

One thing I have read here and some emails, the ride support pretty much sucked. When I first started this thread, I mentioned the other challenge ride in Wisconsin is the Horribly Hilly Hundreds. I hate it. Crappy "roadie" food. Crappy start/finish. And the participants are typically the Strava-loving-this-is-a-race-I-must-win types. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but that is not the vibe I like.

When I started riding the Dare, it was not like the HHH. Correct me if I am wrong, but after riding last year and the reports of this year, the Dare is more like the HHH than the Dare of yesteryear.

So I have had some offline discussions with Robbie and we wanted to bring up the subject of changing venues.

There is a ride in Wisconsin called Bike the Barns (they actually have a challenge ride early spring around LaCrosse, but I'm talking about the Madison ride). Links are below. I rode this in 2008 and 2010 and after talking with friends, it has not changed its vibe since then. The long route (this year, 78 miles) typically stops at 3 CSA farms, many of them organic. Absolutely, without any doubt, the best supported ride I have ever experienced. My .02, better than Cino. I had a BLT there that is still the best I have ever eaten. Some farms you pick your own berries. Freshly made ice cream. When I can, I'll make a Flickr album of my 2008 ride. I rode alone in 2010.

Not only live music at the end, live music at stops. The atmosphere is so relaxed. More like the BF General forum, definately not like the BF Road forum. I doubt anyone on the ride has heard of Strava.

Caveats. While never flat, this is not a challenge ride like the Dare. It is in mid-September, so those with kids in school, it may be more difficult to attend. And finally, a bit more spendy, $125 registration fee. They do offer a $65 registration fee, but then you are committed to raising a minimum of $100 in donations to support the low-income program of this CSA farm coalition. A good cause. You can read about it on their website.

So what do you think? All opinions wanted and valued. The ride is typically on a Sunday and we certainly can do a Saturday night dinner in the greater Madison area. Show venue is still to be determined. This ride typically starts at a public park and many do not even have a warming house. I am thinking of going up to this year's ride to talk with the organizers.

Pictures of previous years rides. Please note, the 2016 pictures stay tiny, but all the years before will expand bigly.
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Previous routes. Kind of cool, they never do the same route.
https://www.csacoalition.org/bike-the-barns/ride-prep/

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https://www.csacoalition.org/bike-the-barns/
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Might be a bit of a hike for me from Des Moines; it's a longer drive to Madison than to Mineral Point. Personally I'd still like to do the Dare on a regular basis. But Bike the Barns sounds like a lot of fun as well. So do some of the other rides in Wisconsin though
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Can't say the ride support sucked, seemed OK to me. Better route than last year, well marked. Plenty of food and fluids (even ice!) at each stop. Didn't have the Strava experience mentioned above, but then I pretty much ignore anyone not riding vintage unless they are extremely attractive. So, there's that.

But hey, even I've heard of BtB, and their foodie reputation is exceptional. September is no problem for me given enough lead time to make sure I'm not galavanting off in Europe with Mrs. Doc. I fly into Madison, so that saves me an hour's drive as well. If we move the Vintage Class to that event, works for me. Only caveat is if Cino gets resurrected next year, that would be a difficult choice to make.
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@iab Bike the Barns is my favorite local to Madison ride. The food and farms are always spectacular, as are the routes.

If anybody registers for that give me a shout. My shop sponsors the ride so I'll be there as one of the mechanics in the support tent.
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I'm game for a venue change. It won't change where I stay, just the time of year, so count me in.
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Either works for me, and having a more social aspect to the ride might be nice. Maybe leaning towards a change and am coming to prefer a social pace also.

I think the DD is experiencing some pains due to the shifting venue and lack of volunteers. Their hearts are in the right place, but it does seem on a downward trajectory. The long check in line this year might be a remembered inconvenience for many that takes another bite out of it.

Let's decide with enough time to have the regulars register and develop all the surrounding activities.
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So if I ride my nuts off and you ride a 'social pace', does that mean we finish within an hour of each other?
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Losing the hills from the DD would be a real loss in terms of the quality of the ride. To my mind, it's the challenge of the hills of the DD that makes this a worthwhile ride. That's my 2 cents worth. And I don't know if I'd commit to driving to Madison for this ride; I may be out.
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I rode in the Horribly Hilly this year and had a great time. The Ironman and racing types start early, so they are easy to avoid. The finish on the top of Blue Mounds is great. Lots of people cheer you on during the last, torturous climb. They had burgers and brats at the finish. Nothing fancy, but it did the job. Overall, the Horribly Hilly is a well run event.

Bike the Barns has great food, but it is a little crowded. I agree that it has a more laid back vibe.
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Regardless riding modern or vintage, its a gem territory for roadies. Sure there's some minor issues, but only if one is to compare and critic among the years. Whatever the C&V clan decides I'm in.

These events don't have to be perfect every time but will say, noted the DD outfit and with its commanding fee has throttled back from prior years. Not complaining but its apparent compared to other years. Though the trade-off this year was absolutely stellar weather conditions!

>>BTW: To those not familiar with the event, iab promotes his Viva Cycling '''FREE''' for the vintage participants at the Dare. The DD does nothing to that portion but does provide a nice area indoor for the group. Its a great blend but could see perhaps the DD promoter post something on the official site and how to get involved with the vintage class. Had some tell me with trouble navigating and or how to get involved. A simple site link from the Dairyland Dare to Viva Cycling would help.<<

Anyways, I'm most appreciative to those planning and making it happen. The hospitality, great company with fellow enthusiast. Then here we are, to add the element by riding older bikes on an already challenging ride. Cheers
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