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Sheldon Browns Brooks Professional VS Modern Brooks: my butt hatchet

Old 06-26-12, 08:39 PM
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I would like to buy the Flyer from you for the full price you paid. I will add another $50 if you agree not to purchase new, suspended leather saddles going forward. I'm completely sincere.
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Someone help me out here. I've watched the video a couple of times and I must be missing something here. Why are you comparing a Brooks Pro to a Flyer? They are completely different constructions and purposes, not to mention different seating positions. The Flyer tends to get used for touring and more upright positioning; the Pro tends to get used for more aggressive positioning. The Flyer is intended to be comfortable for mile after mile, and in my experience has a bit of "give," especially after you put in a few hundred miles and get it conformed to your butt. By contrast, the Brooks Pro is the hardest substance known to man. I notice a difference between vintage leather and new myself, but I kind of chalk that up to leather hardening after thirty years!
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*yawn*. I think the cat in the video sums up my reaction very well.
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet View Post
http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/27/uoca.mp4/

Here is a video demonstrating my utter frustration with Brooks. I hope they will consider a warranty claim on this damn thing. I would like to point out that the thickness of the 70's professional is no thicker or thinner than the Flyer saddle in the video.

I find it fascinating that I was able to tension Sheldons saddle without trouble...I know Sheldon says don't touch it...but It needed a few turns now it's nearly good as new. I'll be mounting it as a stand by while I get a warranty claim sent to Brooks.

Brooks finally responded to me...now will they deliver the goods...we'll find out.
I have never had a Brooks Flyer saddle but I have had many Brooks B17's, B5N's, Competitions, Pro's and most have had stiff side flaps. I have had a couple of really old B17's that were quite soft sided and had lost their 'shape'.

Your Flyer does appear to retain its shape though. I must admit that I was surprised at the way you were able to hold the leather quite flat. I could probably do a similar thing with one of my Brooks saddles if I applied enough pressure but you don't seem to be exerting much force.

Were you applying a similar force to both saddles? Have you looked at other Brooks Flyer's in the local bike shop to compare the saddle tensions?

I think the Colonel has made you an exceptionally generous offer to buy the saddle from you. Are you considering his offer?
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Is that bull sporting a set of North Road bars?
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Is that bull sporting a set of North Road bars?
Actually, it's a Porteur bar! Notice there is very little rise and the bar ends are nearly parallel.
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I'm still wanting to know from the OP how much he tightened the flyer. It really looks like he WAYYY over tightened it which would make this issue entirely his fault. If nothing else I will submit that the newer brooks saddles i've owned do seem not as well made as the old ones in terms of the leather, however I've never had any issues as described.
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I'm still wanting to know from the OP how much he tightened the flyer. It really looks like he WAYYY over tightened it which would make this issue entirely his fault. If nothing else I will submit that the newer brooks saddles i've owned do seem not as well made as the old ones in terms of the leather, however I've never had any issues as described.
You may be right, or not; I can't tell. I'm surprised that the video shows so little of the offending saddle. He talks about the tension, but doesn't show the tension bolt. When he says "as you can see..." I can't see what he's talking about. The sides seems splayed upward; how did this happen? And so on.
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Yeah, I think he's messing around with the tension bolt when he should leave it be. Then, it starts to get worse, and he messes with it more. And so on. Maybe not, but that's how it appears to me based on the little and less we have seen.
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Based on prior threads, i think the OP is pretty competent and am not ready to say he over tensioned (though he may have). I am ready to say this is a dead horse and if he's having this many problems, he clearly should not be purchasing new Brooks saddles.
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Why start new threads rather than just keeping all this nonsense in the same one.
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he clearly should not be purchasing new Brooks saddles.
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Guys my point is the damn 30+ year old saddle still has it's shape. The relatively new and low mileage seat never held tension. The tension bolt was heavily used because it was the only way I could ride the saddle. I didn't just crank the thing down...Ride after ride I found the leather supple and not working. The tension bolt had several turns out of necessity. Without using the tension bolt the saddle would be too saggy to ride.

I sent the saddle to Brooks with hopes of getting it repaired. I don't know if they will do anything about it.
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My experience --with two saddles: a B17 and a Flyer-- has been that recent Brooks saddles are softer than old Professionals. It could be that I ruined mine with too much proofide, though I did not use a lot.

Given that there are far more complaints about Brooks saddles being too hard than being too soft, I imagine the softness of the recent saddles is not a defect, but a feature.

That's part of the reason I've started recovering old saddle frames. The ones I've recovered are really hard.
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FWIW, my 2010-ish B17S and brand-new Pro are very thick and stiff, even after at least a thousand miles on the former. The also-recent B17 is somewhat flexible, so while it's very comfortable to plop down onto, I'm concerned about its long-term prospects.

tl;dr Some Brooks are still thick and hard, but it varies.
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Guys my point is the damn 30+ year old saddle still has it's shape. The relatively new and low mileage seat never held tension. The tension bolt was heavily used because it was the only way I could ride the saddle. I didn't just crank the thing down...Ride after ride I found the leather supple and not working. The tension bolt had several turns out of necessity. Without using the tension bolt the saddle would be too saggy to ride.

I sent the saddle to Brooks with hopes of getting it repaired. I don't know if they will do anything about it.
I'd be interested to find out Brooks explanation as to the 'softness' of your saddle. I can understand the need to tension the leather if it was sagging too much - which, as you are pointing out, shouldn't happen especially to a new saddle. It shouldn't be 'splaying out' at the sides which seems to happen to the really old and well used Brooks saddles you may see on an old bike.

This is an old Brooks of mine that is just about stuffed. You can see just how far the tension bolt has been wound-out just to give the saddle a bit of tension so it can be ridden. Probably similar to what you are experiencing.


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