Bicycle Addict

Hank,
I have Tektro CR710's that I really like, Canti's can be set up to be a very effective braking system, I often go to a stickier compound brake pad along the lines of Koolstop, on older Canti systems I ran Koolstop Eagle Claws, the yellow is a slightly softer yet stickier compound which really helps in stopping power.
You will have a great combination in retro Canti's ie LX or XT, with XT merging into the look of your derailleurs.

hankaye

Superstring, Howdy;

Another way to go about installing shifters. Would you be so kind as to explain what it is you have and how
you went about achieving a functional unit? Very interested beginner, eager to learn and very curious to boot.
Thanks.

hank

superstring

Hey hank

The shifters are Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters mounted on "Kelly Take-Offs".

TakeOff (pair) - Kelly Bike Company : Kelly Bike Company

It was a bit of a chore to get them positioned on the Midge bars 'cause of the short drop. All's well that ends well though and I like them a lot. Braking and shifting at the same time is possible in a lot of situations (not all) if you position them right.

hankaye

Superstring, Howdy;

Thanks for the information.

hank

robl110

Dang I didn't realize what I was getting myself into. I will have to read through all the posts. I would really like to end up with brifters that work with my V brakes.

Bicycle Addict

All brifters will work with cantilever as the "pull" is the same on cantilever as it is on a Roadbike calliper.

robl110

I just realized I have V brakes. Same deal?

Bicycle Addict

No Rob, they will not work, you will need something like a Tektro RL340 or RL520, and Bar end shifters or Miele mans set up.
Pic included

robl110

Well that settles that, bar end shifters it is. Looks like Ultegra BS64 is the best fit. Any others you know of? Trying to stay all black

Bicycle Addict

Staying all black when it comes to bar ends is a push, although you have found the Ultegra ones, any others can be sprayed black? I always try to go for good units cheap when setting into a build I have not done before as I may not like the feel, config etc.

Bikedued

You can use Problem Solvers Travel Agents for the V-brakes. They really work quite well. You do have to have V's with some adjustment range to make them feel and work correctly. With that said I've never been a big fan of V-brakes personally. A whole lot of power without a lot of modulation.,,,,BD

https://problemsolversbike.com/files/...vel_Agent.jpeg

ksryder

Haven't tried these myself but my friend set these up on his girlfriend's gravel bike w/drop bars and says they work fine, Tektro 926al mini-Vs.


Tektro 926A Mini L-Pull Brake > Components > Brakes > Mountain Rim Brakes | Jenson USA

arex

I might be wrong, but those don't look like they'd clear anything bigger than a larger road tire.

ksryder

He's running them with 40s.

Bikedued

I installed a set of these on a Moto Fantom Cross Pro. The power they have is evil! Don't grab both brakes while in the saddle, you'll regret it. your pants stay still while your body moves forward. Not a good thing. JK, but they will stop you in a split second. The leverage is phenomenal.,,,,BD

TRP CX-9 Mini V-Brake Set Red

NocoRider

Friction shifters work with anything and everything. The only challenge I've heard is that as the number of cogs in the back increases then one's accuracy needs to also increase - but I haven't used friction with anything more than seven speed...

Some additional thots on derailleurs and shifters:
Front derailleurs: The fundamental issue I've encountered is the wider bottom bracket on MTB's pushes the large ring of a triple too far out for most road FD's. Vintage FD's often have the range but the pull may not be compatible with Shimano indexed brifters.

Campy 9/10 speed front brifter behaves like the ratchet bar end shifter and is compatible with pretty much any FD. The down side is Campy rear derailleurs and cassettes are not designed for mtb application so IMHO the gear selection ummmmm sucks. Leonard Zinn wrote an interesting article when he claims Campy 10spd rear brifter works fine with a SRAM 10spd rear derailleur and SRAM/Shimano 10spd cassette. He has his daughter's CX bike setup this way. Here are a couple links with more info:

Can you run Campy shifters with a SRAM drivetrain? Sure, why not? - VeloNews.com

Shimano & Campagnolo - Can't We All Get Along? Cyclocross Magazine

Have fun!
Greg

robl110

The v brakes I have work fine. I don't want to go too crazy on the budget otherwise I may as well save for Trek Cross Rip 2.

My plan:
Woodchipper 2
Tektro RL520
Lizard skin dsp tape
Ultegra BS64 bar end shifters

hankaye

NocoRider, Howdy;

Thanks for the links and thoughts. My thoughts are to swap to cantilever brakes and go with
a shift set-up as Meile Man (pg. 201), was kind enough to share with us. When (and if), the new
fork (Surley Troll), shows up (supposed to be late Aug. early Sept.), I'll be able to do the dirt drop
conversion. I'll be working with the LBS to get the stem and riser(?), set so I can run in the drops
and be able to both shift and more importantly brake from there.
As a geezer (to some), and with having had Carpel Tunnel ops done to both hands the folks on the
50+ forum have indicated that it's better for the CT syndrome to use the drops rather then a MTB flat
style bar. Better hand position.
Again, thanks for the thoughts and links.

hank

Bicycle Addict

Rob and Hank, good to hear a plan coming into place for the both of you, with any build I think it is very important to follow the K.I.S.S philosophy eg, Keep it Simple Stupid, I try to follow this always as even low end componentry lubed and adjusted correctly can provide an enjoyable ride.
Hank I will ask you to take a look at the stem on my bikes pictured above, this gives ample rise and comes in 70mm, 90mm and 110mm.
By a company called BBB model BHS-24, for the 25.4 bar clamp, I am running the larger size of 31.8 model number BHS-25, which is what the stem in the link is, your bike looks to be running a clamp size of 25.4.
Stem should be available on Amazon and eBay, there are other stems of course this is simply an example.
Hope this helps.

Stems | BBB

hankaye

Bicycle Addict, Howdy;

Yup, I like simple, read the top line of my signature .
Not sure what the dia. for the clamp size is, bike is 65 miles away at "L"BS.
Besides, all of that will change the more it becomes "Frankenized" into
something I (fingers crossed, touch wood), will be comfortable riding and
will be unique ...
Thanks for the suggestions.

hank

robl110

Parts ordered

Bicycle Addict

Rob, the bike looks great, only is that your saddle height? If so it would pay to make sure you are not past the minimum insertion point on the seat post? As the seat post can crack the insertion point on the frame and the worst case scenario here can be incredibly painful.
If it is your required height you may in the future come across a bigger frame/fork.
Please don't take this as a critism, as it is not, would hate for something to happen and not have said something.

robl110

Thanks. It's a little lower than the max and a 22" frame. It's all good 👍

BigSung

Rob, looking forward to the finished product.

TenGrainBread 

How do you like the ride of those tires? Just ordered the same for my drop bar mtb build.