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Old 06-29-12, 09:03 AM
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Old style barcons vs Accushift

I am refurbishing an 84 Fuji Touring Series V where a previous owner switched out the original drop bars for straight bars. I
want to run bar end shifters on drop bars and have noticed a big cost difference between the old style Suntour barcons and the Accushift barcons.
Will both work? Other than period correctness is there a reason for one over the other?
Anybody have some old style ones they would be willing to sell? (I would prefer the old style for esthetics.)
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Both work well. The newer Accushift is indexed, the older barcons are ratcheting friction, so very different as far as shifting is concerned. I rode my barcon equipped '71 Schwinn Paramount 93 miles yesterday and did not have a single shifting issue. In my opinion, you can't go wrong. I might even have a spare pair to share.

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I like the old friction Suntour the best. As much as I love Suntour, their indexed stuff is obsolete (20 years) and kind of sketchy. Meanwhile, friction always work.

They are on ebay continuously. Look at completed auctions, it will give you an idea of the variance in ebay auction sales price. So if you are patient, you can find them at a reasonable price.

I picked up a set at my LBS two weeks ago, $5. Some bike shops have no interest/appreciation for the vintage stuff. To below, they were lightly used take offs. I did buy another set from another shop, new in original, sealed package (they were more than $5).

I keep several in hand for future projects.

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pastorbob,
If you have a spare set of the old style, I would be interested in buying. I don't have enough posts to PM so either reply in this thread or email.
meljones711(at)gmail.com
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Thrifty Bill, that was a great price for a set that I'm guessing were new, or were they taken off an old bike?
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I just did a 180 mile charity wide on an old Schwinn Super Sport with ratcheting barcons. Coupled with a modern-ish HG freewheel and chain I never missed the indexing.

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.....I never missed the indexing.

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Friction shifting has gone the way of manual transmissions, hardly anyone can ride/drive a bike/car with one. I bet there is a higher % of folks that can operate a manual transmission than can use friction shifters(although both are easily learned)

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I use Shimano barcons in friction mode with a Shimano HG 7-speed freewheel on my Paramount and 8-speed HG cassette on my World Sport and the shifting is smooooooth. It's incredible, I won't go back to indexing, doesn't seem to be any point to it.
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Friction shifting has gone the way of manual transmissions, hardly anyone can ride/drive a bike/car with one. I bet there is a higher % of folks that can operate a manual transmission than can use friction shifters(although both are easily learned)

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funny i hate automatics and indexed shifting

friction shifting is so simple to set up and change gears... especially as other have said with modern HG gears..
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Simplex Retrofrictions are my favorite bar end shifters. The trouble is they're nearly impossible to find. The three I have are the only ones I've ever seen. You can only distinguish them from the standard Simplex shifters by the notch for the spring end on the back of the lever.

I dislike friction shifters that click.




Only Suntour shifters can correctly be called Barcons. It was their proprietary name for them.
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If the Accushift barends are like their thumbshifters, they have a friction mode, but it doesn't really work. It just makes the clicks softer. That's OK if you never need friction to keep you going till you can adjust the cables or whatever, but there's no real ability to switch to a real friction mode like with an indexed Shimano lever. And obviously, if the Accushift levers give you the wrong amount of cable pull per click ....

I have some Suntour microratchet (friction) barends and they're really nice. I've also spent time eying the really nifty new microratchets that are sold through Rivendell and Velo Orange.
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So just to confirm, nobody has a source for pure friction bar ends (new stock) for reasonable $? I mean other than CL finds and occasional finds on the bay.

I've looked in the past and come up with nothing other than mounts for relocating downtube shifters (not the real deal IMO). I'll have to check VO and Riv though if history is any indication, I may not like the pricing.
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Yeah, snagging a used set on eBay on a day when no one else happens to be bidding seems to be the most reliable way for getting them cheap. Riv's and VO's are something like $80, which hurts a little but could be worse. FWIW, those shifters are the exact same they sell for downtube mounting and appear to be identical to each other except for styling. Riv also sells left-hand Microshift barends individually for like $44 each.

Entertainingly, Rivendell is also now selling a fancy new stem-mount setup alongside the fancy thumb-mount pods .... LOL. The cheap Chinese thumbshifters are vaguely interesting too ... I found a pair on Amazon for $5, and they work OK.

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Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
So just to confirm, nobody has a source for pure friction bar ends (new stock) for reasonable $? I mean other than CL finds and occasional finds on the bay.

I've looked in the past and come up with nothing other than mounts for relocating downtube shifters (not the real deal IMO). I'll have to check VO and Riv though if history is any indication, I may not like the pricing.
No. Really, if someone had a supply of NOS, a quick look at ebay would alert them of the value. Why would they sell them cheap? The parts are over 20 years old. If they did sell them cheap, a scooper would have wiped them out by now, and repopped them on ebay.

Cheapest place to find them is a donor bike. I picked up a Nishiki International at a thrift store, swapped the barcons with clamp on DT shifters, and resold the bike. Next cheapest is to watch ebay carefully, and find one at an outlier (low price). I've bought them as part of a derailleur set before. Entire set went for less than the barcons go for.

FWIW: I did find a set, NOS in a bag, at a bike shop. They were not cheap (guy knew what he had).
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One way to get cheap bar ends to buy the rivendell bar-end adapters, they're only 35$ I think, and you can just attach DT or stem shifters...
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Jagwire also makes adapter pods to use Shimano or non Shimano dt shifters. I picked up two sets of NOS Suntour Barcons still in the sealed bag and one in the box last month. They're one of those shop don't leave all their old parts in the back and never see the light of day. I scored both sets for $20 and asked if they had more. I'm friends with the manager and said they were there as long as he's known.
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So just to confirm, nobody has a source for pure friction bar ends (new stock) for reasonable $? I mean other than CL finds and occasional finds on the bay.

I've looked in the past and come up with nothing other than mounts for relocating downtube shifters (not the real deal IMO). I'll have to check VO and Riv though if history is any indication, I may not like the pricing.
Try running a wtb ad on CL, or scout around co-ops. Someone doing a lot of SS/FG conversions might have some laying around. Even if they know what Ebay prices are, for a local sale with no fees maybe you're talking $25, which isn't a lot for a solid set of shifters.
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Originally Posted by clasher View Post
One way to get cheap bar ends to buy the rivendell bar-end adapters, they're only 35$ I think, and you can just attach DT or stem shifters...
Has anyone used Suntour or Simplex downtube friction shifters with the new bar-end adapters?
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Originally Posted by 1987cp View Post
Yeah, snagging a used set on eBay on a day when no one else happens to be bidding seems to be the most reliable way for getting them cheap. Riv's and VO's are something like $80, which hurts a little but could be worse. FWIW, those shifters are the exact same they sell for downtube mounting and appear to be identical to each other except for styling. Riv also sells left-hand Microshift barends individually for like $44 each.

Entertainingly, Rivendell is also now selling a fancy new stem-mount setup alongside the fancy thumb-mount pods .... LOL. The cheap Chinese thumbshifters are vaguely interesting too ... I found a pair on Amazon for $5, and they work OK.
Oddly enough, the Shimano 8-speed bar end shifters are usually right about $70 and the right shifter can be switched to true friction mode. That's my preferred option for buying a new set at this point.
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