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Old 07-01-12, 11:10 AM
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The hour bike that was featured in the article was at Il Vecchio in Seattle for a year or so and I paid a visit a couple of times to look at it. It was AWESOME!!! Light and beautiful in a simple, functional way.

After this magazine came out I was at Interbike (in Anaheim) with a client and on the set up day I spotted Eddy M. and grabbed the magazine for him to autograph and we talked for 10 minutes or so about the bike. There has been talk of other "hour" bikes and Colnago did build more than one, but EM told me that the one in the article was the one he rode.

After our chat he introduced me to Pino Moronni and they both signed the Mag for me.

It was a great day!
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
"Historical accuracy" is my middle name.
How many have the correct Pino parts? My understanding is that some of the original components were subsequently swapped out.
I'd start with the frame before anything else. We already know that Cinelli's claim is full of crap.

The examples at Prolly/Probably show more than one variant of TI stem as well - wouldn't you say that bit is the least likely part to have been swapped out for a similar substitute?

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Originally Posted by Italuminium
Maybe the Drillium Dude can help you with the cranks, post and bars
I might at that - and here I go offering services, but I have to give a shout-out to Andycapp: I got to see some of his own drillium and engraving practice-work at his dad's machine shop yesterday and I wonder if he could duplicate the "Eddy M" pantograph on the chainring.

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^ I was thinking the same thing! The pocket cut-outs in that ring are pretty sweet.
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Ah, so the drilling virus is spreading
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
I might at that - and here I go offering services, but I have to give a shout-out to Andycapp: I got to see some of his own drillium and engraving practice-work at his dad's machine shop yesterday and I wonder if he could duplicate the "Eddy M" pantograph on the chainring.
Chalk me up for a set if I ever find myself a Colnago pista

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You guys are all great and have given me much to think about.

The lugged Kilo would be a good platform but for the threadless stem. I have no problem with threadless stems, but don't think they will work for this project.

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Originally Posted by RFC
You guys are all great and have given me much to think about.

The lugged Kilo would be a good platform but for the threadless stem. I have no problem with threadless stems, but don't think they will work for this project.
It's a perfect bike to start with. Call Mike Terraferma about the fork - he'll be able to add threads onto the threadless steerer with his Silva La Combianata. If you really want to get fancy (and don't mind repainting), you can cut the dropouts shorter for a more accurate appearance too.

I'd definitely stick with a conventional 1" quill stem here. There are so many 1990's stems that look like the TI stem from the hour record bike that it's a shoe-in. Case in point: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cromoly-22-2...item5894a1bd0d

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P.S.: You just reminded me that a local friend has a 60cm orange Holdsworthy track bike. Hmmm, the possibilities
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Someone posted a cool article eons ago with a lot of pics and info on the bike and about the hour breaking ride and days leading up to it. In a nutshell it was Colnago built, to my knowledge it was never used as a road machine, however he wanted it to be/feel the same as his road bike as far as geometry and everything else went. Probably the first ever TI handlebar stem was made for it. The bars were drilled, the fork steerer tube, the part of his seat pillar which was inserted in the frame, the drop outs. I never paid attention to the components though, looked like 28 spoke wheels, and the front was radial laced.
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I thought the bike was built by Colnago and painted and decaled as a Windsor.
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Yes, it was a Molteni orange Colnago. Shortly before the event, Eddy put Windsor (a Mexican manufacturer) decals on the bike ($$$) and after he set the WR, Windsor ran ads with pics from the event saying that the WR was set on a Windsor and Colnago was furious. It was basically the end of Eddy and Ernie and the Eddy, Ugo relationship flourished.

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I thought the bike was built by Colnago and painted and decaled as a Windsor.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
I'd start with the frame before anything else. We already know that Cinelli's claim is full of crap.

The examples at Prolly/Probably show more than one variant of TI stem as well - wouldn't you say that bit is the least likely part to have been swapped out for a similar substitute?

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Unless the bike was reused, or the stem was reclaimed for an other project (or was a loaner). Wouldn't rule out either automatically. Agree the frame is the juumping off point - and that was a Colnago item.
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Originally Posted by vjp
Yes, it was a Molteni orange Colnago. Shortly before the event, Eddy put Windsor (a Mexican manufacturer) decals on the bike ($$$) and after he set the WR, Windsor ran ads with pics from the event saying that the WR was set on a Windsor and Colnago was furious. It was basically the end of Eddy and Ernie and the Eddy, Ugo relationship flourished.
I think there is some evidence that the Eddy-Ernesto Colnago relationship continued, but it's not clear if that was a matter of Colnago continuing to build frames for Eddy, or Eddy continuing to use Colnago frames built before the rift.
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
Unless the bike was reused, or the stem was reclaimed for an other project (or was a loaner). Wouldn't rule out either automatically. Agree the frame is the juumping off point - and that was a Colnago item.
Maybe so, but the frame in this picture has two things decidedly against it:

A. Campagnolo track ends which look nothing like the short track ends used on all of the genuine hour record build,
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B. A chromed fork crown.

It is also noticeably shorter than all the other frames.



Unless that photo is a mistake, all that's sitting behind the Laser is a production Colnago (I see club engraving on the fork crown) in the Molteni Merckx scheme.

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39 posts and one picture...really I need them to make it work for me




Please just promise nothing like this
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Originally Posted by Velognome
Please just promise nothing like this
Oh god, please!

I'll be interested to watch this build as well.
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Originally Posted by rhm
For a frame, why not see if you can get a Falcon in the right size? They're pretty good frames, and can claim some Eddy 'legitimacy.'
What size, RFC? Sailor Ben just gave me one in about 58 or 59cm, without fork. You're welcome to it. Though I suspect it might be a Dawes.
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Originally Posted by Velognome
39 posts and one picture...really I need them to make it work for me


The above is one of the potentials, the other is on display at a subway station in Belgium.
Both could be. One of course is not. I would think two would have been fabricated and brought to the venue as part of the planning.

The one above is I think the one Colnago has, it does benefit from the magnesium hubs (note the dark oxidation) only magnesium oxidizes that way. The seat post sure does appear like a Pino design to me... the stem however does not. I think the Subway station display bike has the correct stem and pedals.
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The bike that he rode did not have the blue back ground band. As I said above, Eddy told me personally that the bike in the article in Bicycling magazine is the one he set the record with. Look at the video on youtube.
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Originally Posted by repechage
The above is one of the potentials,
Though it does have a number of incorrect parts as noted in the blog, I can't help but notice one overwhelming detail on it - a Windsor decal on the seattube, since reduced to white vinyl after having the ink rubbed off of it. There's an EM decal placed over it, but that's obvious.

Given that those Windsor decals were a "last minute" deal, this one probably made it to the event, if nothing else.

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The bike that he rode did not have the blue back ground band. As I said above, Eddy told me personally that the bike in the article in Bicycling magazine is the one he set the record with. Look at the video on youtube.
It's obviously been re-decaled at one point - it wouldn't have the Windsor badge below the EM decal if that weren't the case.

As for Eddy's claim, it might have the same weight as those similar claims made by Italian builders. I wouldn't be surprised if Eddy is equally at fault; either that, or he wasn't particularly concerned with the exact bike that was ridden during the event when he made the claim; any of the batch made for the event may have suited the example in his mind.

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The above is one of the potentials, the other is on display at a subway station in Belgium.
Both could be. One of course is not. I would think two would have been fabricated and brought to the venue as part of the planning.


Really, can't say enough about the need for pictures

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I'm at 32nd street and Shea, not to far from you. I think we should definitely plan to meet up, maybe even get a few more Arizona members to join in.
Holy cripes, it's a small world I guess. I used to live not two blocks from there. memories....
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Really, can't say enough about the need for pictures
Cool picture. But they need a knee pad placed in front so the un-washed masses can genuflect.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
I might at that - and here I go offering services, but I have to give a shout-out to Andycapp: I got to see some of his own drillium and engraving practice-work at his dad's machine shop yesterday and I wonder if he could duplicate the "Eddy M" pantograph on the chainring.
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OK Now we need pics Andy!
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Eddy sent the bike to Il Vecchio, it was in his possession before it was sent.

The Windsor decal remains is puzzling. It would make me say that it was the bike but the fact that the blue band decal has so much wear on it, that it was used so much after the record doubtful. The tubing was light, it was made for the event I can't imagine that it was ridden to that kind of wear after the record.

The back up bikes would have had Windsor decals put on them also. Ernesto was standing by with a back up in case of a flat or mechanical.

Originally Posted by cudak888
Though it does have a number of incorrect parts as noted in the blog, I can't help but notice one overwhelming detail on it - a Windsor decal on the seattube, since reduced to white vinyl after having the ink rubbed off of it. There's an EM decal placed over it, but that's obvious.

Given that those Windsor decals were a "last minute" deal, this one probably made it to the event, if nothing else.



It's obviously been re-decaled at one point - it wouldn't have the Windsor badge below the EM decal if that weren't the case.

As for Eddy's claim, it might have the same weight as those similar claims made by Italian builders. I wouldn't be surprised if Eddy is equally at fault; either that, or he wasn't particularly concerned with the exact bike that was ridden during the event when he made the claim; any of the batch made for the event may have suited the example in his mind.

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