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70's Frejus with some lowend parts ... or not .. help needed

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Old 07-04-12, 01:53 AM
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70's Frejus with some low end parts ... or not .. help needed

I can buy a Frejus from probebly 76 according to the seller.

The bike has campy dropouts.
A regular seatpost lug the standard one everybody uses not the frejus slot cutout
A legnano steel crank
Legnano hubs
Steel cable guides on the bracket.
Clamps on the toptube.
6 Speed
Campa valentino
Universal brakes/levers
Tubing is falck (decal on top tube)

My q'n are:
How do i see this is a true frejus?
How come a frame with campy dropouts uses a low end steel cottered crank
Is there a year to be given with the above info
I'm willing to believe it is from the 70's due to the top tube clips
What was the colour scheme for these years?

All in all i want to know if this is money well spend.

Thanks for the help it's much appreciated.

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Old 07-04-12, 03:40 AM
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How do i see this is a true frejus?
Impossible if we can't see the bike.

How come a frame with campy dropouts uses a low end steel cottered crank
My Legnano has the same thing - Campy drops and cottered crank - original issue, the Frejus is no different. And, what makes you think that cottered cranks are low end?

Is there a year to be given with the above info
Not a chance!

I'm willing to believe it is from the 70's due to the top tube clips
Why not the sixties, or fifties..?

What was the colour scheme for these years?
What years?

Sorry if the responses seem curt, but you have supplied little useful information for us to work with. Supply pictures, good clear ones, and hope that the folks on the Forum can answer then. Also, based on your description, or what little of it there is, why don't you think the bike to be a Legnano? There are more clues to suggest that than Frejus.

Supply pictures and my guess is you will get better responses.

Is the money well spent? Again, how would anyone know without more information. Determining Vintage Bicycle Value is a lot more tricky than one might expect.
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Old 07-04-12, 06:59 AM
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Ah i was hoping against the odds :-)

Ok here are the pix i hope these can supply some answers.

The specs from the seller

    • CRANK - Legnano cottered steel
    • FRONT DERAILLEUR - campagnolo valentino
    • REAR DERAILLEUR - campagnolo valentino
    • GEAR LEVERS - campagnolo
    • BRAKES - universal extra
    • BRAKE LEVERS - balilla
    • HEADSET -ofmega
    • HANDLEBAR STEM - 3ttt v
    • HANDLEBAR - 3ttt
    • HUBS - Legnano
    • WHEELS - martano
    • DROPOUTS - brev campagnolo

















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Old 07-04-12, 07:22 AM
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Hmmm, looks nice but I'd think lower end. I saw that Falck sticker on the city bikes in Italy. At some point Legnano and Frejus merged, so the Legnano parts don't surprise me.

But cool to have if it fits and price is right.
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Hmmm, looks nice but I'd think lower end. I saw that Falck sticker on the city bikes in Italy. At some point Legnano and Frejus merged, so the Legnano parts don't surprise me.

But cool to have if it fits and price is right.
I never saw any tubing decal on the original legnano's ever and on a forum there was a reply that legnano used falck tubing many years. Later they switched to reynolds 531 (decals to be seen) again later the falck tubing decal appeared. Now i see it on this frejus too. In Later years after the merge with frejus (wasn't this in 1970?) the falck tubing decal was more to be seen. Does falck fall in the catagory gaspipe of is it just another choice for mid range tubing.

Based on the specs my first impression was too low end, but than again it has campy valentino while other bike options where huret or simplex so it isn't that low ..... That they used legnano hubs and cranks was more to use the supply allready on hand so why spend money on making new ones when they where allready on the self.

Also on the bike boom frejus bikes with the unique frejus seatlug slot/cut out there are pix on the net that these bikes had stamped dropouts ...

However the mystery with the 'low end' specs and campy dropouts i leave that to the experts as i have no answer to that.

Maybe this isn't as 'low end' as i think it is :-)

So tell me the tale as i'm lost on this one

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Old 07-04-12, 07:42 AM
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I'd guess that it's mid level? Well, either a mid-level late 60s bike, or a bike boom special where companies seemed to churn out some very strange combinations of frames and parts. Universal calipers and Balilla levers? In any event, it's very cool. If it were my size, I'd be all over it.
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So tell me the tale as i'm lost on this one
Oh I don't know. Doesn't seem you're all that lost. Cool bike.
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I say mid-level, too. Those brakes and hubs look low end, but they're good. I had some Universal brakes that had no shine, but boy, they worked well. They used stiff alloy, which is what matters.
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Falck is chrome-moly. Looks like a mid-level bike, and quite original.
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Does it fit you? Is the price right?
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Cool bike.

The serial number on the seat tube (non drive side) should give a clue to the year.

Total kluge of parts. The calipers are Universal Sports, not Extras. Definitely the low end of their spectrum. But the Martano rims seem to be too nice.

Bike branded hubs fell out of favor in the 50s. Ballila was pretty much gone by the 60s. The frame says 70s to me. Again, and interesting kluge.
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I never saw any tubing decal on the original legnano's ever

but than again it has campy valentino while other bike options where huret or simplex
I've had at least 2 that had this Falck decal, which I copied.

I wouldn't call Valentino superior to Simplex or Huret, in fact just as poor if not worse.
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I wouldn't call Valentino superior to Simplex or Huret, in fact just as poor if not worse.
Actually, far worse in most cases.
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Actually, far worse in most cases.
+1 The stamped steel early Valentino stuff is pretty awfull despite being Campy when it came to lower end stuff I think Huret and Simplex did a better job than Campy. I think this bike merrited a better DR when new and still does.
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Hmmm, so mid level, late 60's, early 70's.
I'll ask for the serial and post it here.

Does anybody has any idea what the colours where this model could be had.
I love the bronze with red (if i'm correct) the typical frejus colours.

Is there anywhere a brochure on the net to be found to browse thru

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Most Italian makers at this time were not going to outfit their bikes with anything but Italian parts. So Simplex and Huret were out of the question. The Valentino's were the only choice other than the Record.
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I love the bronze with red (if i'm correct) the typical frejus colours.
I think of this as a typical Frejus color. In fact, the typical Frejus color. But of course, there were others.
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I love the bronze with red (if i'm correct) the typical frejus colours.
Dopo la strepitosa vittoria riportata nel Giro d'italia un grigio-rosso vince anche la prima prova del campionato italiano,

Roughly translates to,

After the great victory in the Giro d'Italia, a grey-red also won the first race of the Italian Championship,

The bikes of the 50s, 60s and 70s were more of a champagne-red combination




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The bikes of the 50s, 60s and 70s were more of a champagne-red combination
That's what I think of as the classic Frejus colors...
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Ah those are lovely colours indeed.

The current owner of the bike hasn't found any serial on the bike near the seatpost lug ...
Strange or not.
There's only a number 30 under the BB shel

Everybody thanks a lot for all the info given and shared it's much appreciated.

I will contact the owner and see if we can strike a deal.

If anybody has more info no matter what i love to read it.
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I remember going to my first bike race in 1970ish. There were a lot of brand new Frejus bikes there. I believe it was Turin Bike Co-op that brought them into the U.S. about this time. I would think your bike fits that time period.
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Here's my Frejus fitted out with period-correct Japanese stuff but with Cinelli city bars and stem as a nod to provenance. It's a lovely ride.

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