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Old 07-04-12, 07:34 PM
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I really don't understand eBay sometimes...

I want to convert my 98 Waterford to use moustache handlebars. I also want to save a few bucks. The typical price for Nittos is anywhere from $70-$110 on the tubes. For some reason, JensonUSA has them for $59 with free shipping. I'm a little leery when one store has them so much cheaper than any other, but let's take it at face value and say its a real price.

Why, then, do people consistently bid up used stuff on eBay for more than you can buy the same thing for new? This really drives me nuts. Twice now I've watched auctions for these bars go over the new price. I see this all the time on non-collectible stuff and I don't understand the behavior.

I think I'm giving up on eBay and just gonna buy new. I've never bought from Jenson. Has anyone dealt with Jenson?
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I've order from Jenson USA a number of times, nothing but good experiences.
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In the process of marketing all the stuff I've been selling recently, I've come to exactly one conclusion:

The people who spend outrageous money on eBay for bike parts do not visit other bike-related websites - they open their email and go straight to their "eBay Saved Search" folder.

No CR, no C&V, no Google search - just eBay. If they do anything else online, it's not bike related.

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I have purchased rims and spokes from Jenson when they were on sale. Not my first choice for online parts, but good results, no issues.
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Originally Posted by G1nko View Post
I want to convert my 98 Waterford to use moustache handlebars. I also want to save a few bucks. The typical price for Nittos is anywhere from $70-$110 on the tubes. For some reason, JensonUSA has them for $59 with free shipping. I'm a little leery when one store has them so much cheaper than any other, but let's take it at face value and say its a real price.

Why, then, do people consistently bid up used stuff on eBay for more than you can buy the same thing for new? This really drives me nuts. Twice now I've watched auctions for these bars go over the new price. I see this all the time on non-collectible stuff and I don't understand the behavior.

I think I'm giving up on eBay and just gonna buy new. I've never bought from Jenson. Has anyone dealt with Jenson?
That's the norm on Ebay!! They will bid a used item up pass what you can get it for brand new, and all right on Ebay too.

As I have stated many times, a lot of people just don't have plain "common sense"..

When looking for bike stuff, I usually search Ebay, and then Amazon..I will usually go with the one with the best price. So, sometimes I get my item from Amazon, and sometimes from Ebay. So, you are going to see a lot of that "over bidding"..People get into a bidding frenzy..
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In the process of marketing all the stuff I've been selling recently, I've come to exactly one conclusion:

The people who spend outrageous money on eBay for bike parts do not visit other bike-related websites -
-Kurt
Some bidders on ebay are idiots, or at the very least, lazy. I see bike supplies on ebay regularly for prices higher than several of the on line sellers.

+1 I buy from Jensen a lot. Sometimes their price is on the high side, but they will price match with all the other on line folks (and I like their service). So more and more, I consolidate my orders and place them with Jensen. Just ordered from them this morning in fact (and just got an approval email on a price match, so I will order again tomorrow).

One time, I bought three paperback books on Amazon, read them, and decided to run a test reselling them on ebay (two weeks later). So I auctioned the 3 as a set, started them out at a penny. Got more for those books on ebay, than I paid on Amazon, and the buyer paid me shipping too.

A friend of mine sold a broken toaster once, it was one of those you can get new at Walmart for $10. And his title was Broken Toaster. He got something like $25 for it, PLUS shipping.

To be fair, most of ebay stuff does not go that silly high, and there continue to be good deals out there.

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JensonUSA is a great shop. Warehouse is a few miles away and the people there are top quality nice folk.
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Jenson is great. Used them several times.
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I too have ordered from Jensen without any problems.

As far as eBay buyers, about ten years ago I was liquidating a bunch of my old music equipment. I had a broken wah pedal that I thought someone might want to purchase for parts. I think I started bidding at $1 plus shipping. The bidding war took the final price well over what that same wah pedal would cost new.

At that point I seriously considered cancelling my trash service and just ebaying my garbage every week.
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I don't understand Ebay either. I paid $90 (a price suggested by posters on Bike Forums) for my 1981 Jubilee Sport that had less than 10 miles on it. The original owner was a former co-worker who bought the bike and then realized that it was "too much bike for him." and had rode it a couple of times and then stuck it in a distant corner of his garage and never rode it again. The bike was in mint condition when I got it and is still in great shape.

I've seen that same year Jubilee Sport, with stock components, and in lesser condition, sell for as much as $350 on Ebay. Why? I suspect because some Ebay bidders have no idea what the true value of something would be, but are so competitive they don't want to be beat out by another bidder.
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we sell products on ebay all the time. We are a top rated seller with almost 3000 feedback score and 100% positive. We have buy it now and also run auctions. We often sell the exact same product presented in the exact same way at auction for more than our buy it now running at the same time. Who knows, this is the way of the world.
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Jenson is great, don't waste your time trying to figure out Ebay.
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Ebay's best asset is it's search engine. Just type in all the variables on the item you are looking for and you get all the results from everything available. With some of the online retailers it can be confusing with some of the drop down menus and navigating to exactly what you want.

Add in that Ebay gives you a picture of the exact item you are buying, I can see how some people are lazy and don't shop around. Sometimes I will use Ebay just for it's pictures to find exactly what I am looking for and then go to the online retailers to purchase it. Maybe some people don't want to take that extra step.
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With eBay you are buying a 30 day warranty with the ability to leverage your seller through feedback, and that has value. It's the same reason I buy at REI. It's easy to find goods. Some don't like giving out their cc info and like PayPal. Because they have other concerns doesn't mean they lack sense, it means they have other reasons. Some people have more money and don't count every dollar.

Another part that some here don't understand is that eBay can be a great resource for international buyers who have different access to services. Parts in the us, and stuff in general, is often far less expensive in the US. There are services for international bidders, using eBay, to buy and ship parts. Jenson doesn't have that.
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With eBay you are buying a 30 day warranty with the ability to leverage your seller through feedback, and that has value. It's the same reason I buy at REI. It's easy to find goods. Some don't like giving out their cc info and like PayPal. Because they have other concerns doesn't mean they lack sense, it means they have other reasons. Some people have more money and don't count every dollar.

Another part that some here don't understand is that eBay can be a great resource for international buyers who have different access to services. Parts in the us, and stuff in general, is often far less expensive in the US. There are services for international bidders, using eBay, to buy and ship parts. Jenson doesn't have that.
Several of the guys I ride with make really extraordinary salaries.

Their free time is far more important to them than saving a buck or two.

They want what they want and buy accordingly.

So, saving money is not a concern, it really comes down to wish fulfillment.
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Several of the guys I ride with make really extraordinary salaries.

Their free time is far more important to them than saving a buck or two.

They want what they want and buy accordingly.

So, saving money is not a concern, it really comes down to wish fulfillment.
Eggggs-actly. Convenience has value. Not everyone has the same priorities and needs. If you have money and lack time, a google search over every part doesn't make sense.

The true lack of common sense is exhibited by those that assume everyone is like them and that don't know what they don't know.
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Why, then, do people consistently bid up used stuff on eBay for more than you can buy the same thing for new? This really drives me nuts. Twice now I've watched auctions for these bars go over the new price. I see this all the time on non-collectible stuff and I don't understand the behavior?
As long as your getting the item for a good price why's it bother you that someone else isnt as savy a shopper? And that's why they 'bid up' parts, they aren't savy shoppers.....
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Eggggs-actly. Convenience has value. Not everyone has the same priorities and needs. If you have money and lack time, a google search over every part doesn't make sense.

The true lack of common sense is exhibited by those that assume everyone is like them and that don't know what they don't know.

Correct.

I couidn't care less what my friends make for a salary.

It makes for delightful cast offs.
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ebay sometimes causes a feeding frenzy. BTW, I like Jenson too. Great price on Paselas sometimes.
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I've found this to be true: If an item is currently in production and available in a Big Box store, it probably won't be cheaper on ebay.
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It's not just the auctions, I often see new stuff in buy-it-now listings priced higher than Amazon or other major online retailers. So much so that EBay is no longer my first destination for new items.
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Ebay is the place for old, out-of-production items.
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Sometimes it's a result of shill-bidding, where a seller's cohorts will bid on his items to raise the price. The least sophisticated of these schemes will overbid shortly after your first minimum bid (a few minutes to an hour) even if there are a dozen of identical items available with no bids. Since it is irrational to "compete" for an item at a higher price than is otherwise potentially available, it's pretty obvious what's going on.

Secondly there is a psychological effect going on when bidding simulates an interest in a particular item. Even when the bids are meaningless low-balls which have no possible hope of being the final price, the mere fact of the action enhances the perceived value of the auction item. Views, and further bids, are inevitably higher on these auctions than on an identical auction languishing with no bids. Particularly when more than one legitimate bidder is involved, and the action is competitive one or more of them can become irrationally attached to "winning" and the price becomes higher than retail. Combined with shill-bidding to simulate interest and competition that can be very effective for the seller.

Third, prices and selling percentages (depending on the listing format) are more strongly dependent on visibility than any other single factor. By "visibility" I mean what are the chances of your seeing that listing when you perform a particular search. Visibility in that venue depends on a lot of factors which do not necessarily involve the quality or desirability of the product, its price, the level of supply or demand, or the legitimate reputation of the seller. When extraneous factors may influence "visibility" and hence price, a market is distorted from pure supply and demand calculations, therefore price distortions could be expected.

In the case of fixed price listings as opposed to auction format, the situation is a bit simpler with less potential impact of chicanery. Traditionally, due to the relatively low cost of listing a lot of product was parked in such listings at much higher prices. The merchant could afford to let them sit for months, perhaps years, waiting for the right person willing to pay the higher price. Add-on impulse items, or items that would complement another purchase were typical, although any kind of item whatsoever could be parked in fixed-priced "stores" indefinitely. I understand that the venue may have taken steps in recent years to discourage this type of model, but some variation at some particular price point is conceivably still profitable, and I expect that this still explains the higher pricing seen in that kind of format.

Personally I very much prefer to do business directly with an internet merchant without a venue acting as an intermediary, with the exception of Amazon which in may ways still acts as simply a venue (not a controlling third party).
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Ebay is the place for old, out-of-production items.
This is definitely true.

I grew up with son of the LBS in my town, who eventually bought his father out and took over the business. He found a large stash of long forgotten, new old stock in the basement of the shop. Mostly it was old, early 80's, BMX stuff. He made a pretty tidy profit by liquidating the stock on Ebay.
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It doesn't bother me so much as I lament the loss of what used to be a great resource. I don't make a ton of cash. Ten years ago, I bought a frame and built up a bike from parts off eBay. I ended up paying $1600 for a bike that would have cost me $2500 built up from a bike shop plus I had the fun of the hunt and the fun of assembly.

I thought I'd do the same this time, but there are no longer any bargains.
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