arartic

New Candidate: See Red Color below.

Hi, I have a Peugeot Ph-8, which is used for university/city.

I am planning to get an extra one of the following 2, maybe I can upgrade the tyre, etc... ( my current Ph-8 has fenders, basket, etc, too heavy for uphill/downhill training)

Objective is to get a light bike for better road cycling uphill/downhill training.

BIke 1: $ 147 USD



https://www.quoka.de/fahrraeder/mount...o-rennrad.html

Bike 2: $110 USD


https://www.quoka.de/fahrraeder/mount...t-rennrad.html

Bike 3: Columbus Rahmen : 195 USD



- 12 Speed, Rigida SX 100 Rims


Now I am a bit on the new Columbus, since it has Shimano 105, I assume the bike is newer, so it's easier for me to found components to upgrade/fix?
is it a better racing Bike than the Peugeot PKN10?

Thanks.

mudboy

Are my eyes broken, or does #2 look like a PY-10 with some component changes? If so, #2.

arartic

Really?? the ad on the internet said it's in the 1970 years...

miamijim

Bike #1 is '82-'84-ish PH10-ish. It has down tube shifters so its a 10 series... Page 4: https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1984UK.pdf

Bike #2 is '79-'83-ish PFN10 as evidenced by the Vitus 182 decal. Page 5: https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1981UK.pdf


Dates are approximate....and it's a toss up between the 2. Buy the one whichs needs the least amount of Euros in repair work.

John E

Hmm ... my 1980 PKN-10 had a double-butted Reynolds 531 main triangle

wrk101

Both need work, myself, I would be all over that PKN.

Wasn't the PH10 Carbolite? Vitus 182 is a major step up over Carbolite or even HLE.

Chombi

#2 is definitely a higher model Peugeot. It is definitely more bike (for less money too!) because of the better frame material. Reynolds tubing/lugged frame is always a better value compared to internally brazed Carbolite 103 frames.
#2 !, #2!, #2!

Chombi

arartic

hi.. why do you think it is a toss up between the two?? what is better and worse on each bike??

poke em

#2 is a lighter, better bike. Buy it before somebody else does.

arartic

And I assume it's better than my current Stock level PH8 right?

miamijim

My bad, I meant PFN's have Vitus tubing.....

miamijim

There're difference between then for sure but there's not that much of a difference as they're lined up right to each other in Peugeot line-up. That's why I say buy the one that needs the least amount of financial investment.

The PH10 and PFN10 are both '10-series' bikes which have racing geometry, 8-series bikes have sport geometry.

arartic

i see, and by "Geometry", do you mean the FRAME?

also, I expect that I have to replace the brake cable, brake pad, tyre and the inner-tube.. anything else? I am a newbie hence I need to roughly estimate the cost of such compared to buying a more expensive, modern 2nd hand road bike.

Thanks

randyjawa 

I have prepared six or seven hundred pages of information attempting to answer the questions presented by the OP. You are asking questions that have lengthy answers. You initial concern, which one is better, has been answered a few times, already. Get #2, it is a much better bike than #1. If you want to know why, have a look at Vintage Bicycle Quality, and begin the journey of understanding what vintage road bicycles can be all about.

Also, don't be fooled by the Reynolds is the best crowd. One of the absolute nicest riding bikes, I have ever owned, was a Carbolite tubed Peugeot Course, very much like the second bike pictured by the OP...

miamijim

Frame angles and dimensions....

Keep in mind that neither bike has British/BSA threading. My guess is that the PH10 has French fork threads and Swiss BB while the lugged PFN could be the same French/Swiss or it could be French/French.

Chombi

Just go buy bike #2 already, especially if it is in the same or better condition as the #1 bike.!......before it's gone and you will be kicking youself in the butt for missing out on it!
I guarantee, you will be satisfied with it much longer than the lower model Carbolite frame and will not feel the need to upgrade from it for a much longer time. And this is from a guy that actually owned a Carbolite framed PH10 (and loved it!). The #2 bike can only be just as good or better.

Chombi

arartic

Guys! Just able to contact the owner, he told me he almost wants to put the bike in the trash! and he is very happy that I am interested in his "trash" bike.

I will have a test drive on Thrusday, any particular thing I have to pay attention to the test ride?

if he thinks it's a trash bike, maybe I can even argue with a lower price. is 110 USD okay for this?

arartic

Hey thanks, l am checking on your page regarding to the frame quality check, especially to see if it's bended or not.

Unluckily, this needs experience and time. I never thought the Frame is that important.

For me, I have a nice PH8 as a city / university bike already, I am trying to use the least amount of money to get a lighter, faster bike for faster uphill and downhill sprint. So I can get an entrance to the racing bike sport later on.

arartic

Hi Guys, I have a new candidate, Columbus Rahmen, price is still within budget for me. Any idea? Now I am a bit on the Columbus, since it has Shimano 105, I assume the bike is newer, so it's easier for me to found components to upgrade/fix?
is it a better racing Bike than the Peugeot PKN10?

Bike 3: Columbus Rahmen : 195 USD



- 12 Speed, Rigida SX 100 Rims

miamijim

If #3 is the proper size then yes, 100%. It's a late 80's model.

arartic

I see, but the owner said someone would like to test it today, ****.. I might lose the chance, but anyway, do you roughly know the model of this bike so I can do a bit research?

Grand Bois

Are you considering size at all? The red one is a much larger frame than the others.