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Help identifying this vintage frame. Cinelli???

Old 07-15-12, 09:17 AM
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Well, I emailed the Wastyn Cycle shop and hopefully they have some info. Anyone else chime in?
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Old 07-15-12, 10:25 PM
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I just got back from my friends house and mentioned the name Wastyn and he said he remembers that his grandfather had a few bikes made from him and was a good customer of that shop many years ago. He had some other bikes that his brothers got from his grandfathers estate and mentioned that they have an old race bike with wooden rims that was a Waston "special" and were offered some big money for it about a year ago from a local vintage bike collector. This info leads me to believe that this may have been custom made by him and I'm anciouslly waiting a reply back from there shop/family regarding this frame/fork.
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Old 07-15-12, 10:40 PM
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Also, if this helps, the name of his past grandfather is Louis Sebo, anyone here from the area heard of him? He was very big into bike racing for many years, as well as his son Robert -Bob- Sebo. ******************************
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Well, I got a response back from Wastyn, and it looks like it is a Wastyn built bike.
Here's the email "Glenn,

Oscar Wastyn Sr. built the bikes for the Sebo family. They are not Paramounts, the are simply either a Wastyn Custom or a Wastyn Special. Serial numbers grandpa left up to the customer, if they wanted one, he put one, if not, no big deal. As far as the value, we would have no idea, we are not into that part of collector
stuff.

Scott Wastyn"
With that said, would anyone know the approximate value of this custom frame? Would it be a good idea for me to sand and paint it? I am a car painter so I know I can do a great paint job to it, and if the value would be higher with a nice paint job, what color should I do it in?
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Old 07-21-12, 03:50 PM
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Well, if it was built by Oscar Wastyn, Sr., it would be of significant value to some collectors. The problem is that without some kind of provenance there's no assurance it is a Wastyn built bike, so unless you can obtain some kind of proof of its pedigree all you can say is that it may be an Oscar Wastyn built frame. As I mentioned, Emil and his son Oscar built all of the early Paramounts for Schwinn, and Emil taught many famous American framebuilders the trade.

Note that one of the letters from six day riders to Schwinn from this 1939 Paramount catalog page says, "Mr. Wastyn has my specifications", and another says, "The fact that Emil Wastyn is with you is enough guarantee for us that the bicycles are right."

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Here is Oscar Wastyn's obituary from Bicycling, March, 1969.

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Old 07-21-12, 04:39 PM
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Since there is no original finish left it should be painted. I would be very careful about the sanding because you would not want to remove original file marks on a frame of this vintage and provenance. I would also research the kinds of paints and decals or markings that they used originally and try and match that. Please don't over finish the bike as a lot of collectors do, too much clear and no decal edge...

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Well, I got a response back from Wastyn, and it looks like it is a Wastyn built bike.
Here's the email "Glenn,

Oscar Wastyn Sr. built the bikes for the Sebo family. They are not Paramounts, the are simply either a Wastyn Custom or a Wastyn Special. Serial numbers grandpa left up to the customer, if they wanted one, he put one, if not, no big deal. As far as the value, we would have no idea, we are not into that part of collector
stuff.

Scott Wastyn"
With that said, would anyone know the approximate value of this custom frame? Would it be a good idea for me to sand and paint it? I am a car painter so I know I can do a great paint job to it, and if the value would be higher with a nice paint job, what color should I do it in?
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Since there is no original finish left it should be painted. I would be very careful about the sanding because you would not want to remove original file marks on a frame of this vintage and provenance. I would also research the kinds of paints and decals or markings that they used originally and try and match that. Please don't over finish the bike as a lot of collectors do, too much clear and no decal edge...
I would have Waterforn repay it, after looking for Wastyn built graphics and or having them created first. Good chance the red was original, go with that.
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Images of the Wastyn Special decals are out there, but I'm sure there were variations over the years. Maybe the Sebo family has some old photos.

Here's an image of a Wastyn Special frame decal I found on CR (from Cycle Smithy, Chicago), but it looks earlier than Glenn's frame with the Nervex lugs:

https://classicrendezvous.com/Bike_Sh...cialdecal.html

This page has photos of an earlier (c. 1920) Wastyn Special by Emil Wastyn:

https://classiccycleus.com/home/?p=5803

There's a 1957 Wastyn Special on display at Wastyn's Chicago shop, but the photo on the Wastyn website lacks enough resolution to see details on the decals, lugs, etc. That would be about the timeframe of Glenn's bike.

Here's the photo:

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