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Old 07-12-12, 02:42 PM
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Gitane Tour de France vs Peugeot PX 10

So I just spotted a fairly nice Gitane Tour de France on CR...green with the foil decals chrome chain stays etc. May buy it at 300.00 but .... just out of curiosity....which is rarer/more desired by collectors/more valuable.....A Gitane TDF or a Peugeot PX10? Seems like I see alot more PX 10s out there but........
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Having had both, I prefer the Tour de France, but the Gitane Super Coarse is one notch above both (basically a TdF w/Campy dropouts).
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I've had both, and I'd choose an English or Italian...

But the Peugeot maybe more collectable.
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When I bought my Tour de France in 1971, I wanted the PX10 but it was a bit more money. The TdF was a delightful bike. My understanding was that they were nearly the same bike, but Peugeot had more of a reputation. At the time I wasn't sophisticated enough to be able to choose on any basis other than cost.

I put Campy derailers on it, and Mafac Tiger brakes. Was a wonderful bike and then it got stolen. Sometimes I wonder where it is now...
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The TDF is rarer than the PX10 and has nicer finishing and detail I think it is a nicer bike. While high end Peugeot made a lot more PX10's. Yet the PX10's seem to be more collectiable because of brand and model recognition.
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Old 07-12-12, 04:13 PM
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PX-10's have more broad appeal (Hipsters love anything with a Peugeot decal on it ), but I prefer the TDFs...... The early 70s TDFs ride wonderfully. The only shortcoming is that there can be limited tire clearance on the fork, so you can't run both wide tires and fenders.
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Originally Posted by balindamood View Post
Having had both, I prefer the Tour de France, but the Gitane Super Coarse is one notch above both (basically a TdF w/Campy dropouts).
Wait, you'd take the same frame with plain old campy dropouts over those beautiful honey comb dropouts?
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Wait, you'd take the same frame with plain old campy dropouts over those beautiful honey comb dropouts
Honeycombs did not show up until about 1976. The world had changed by then. My comparisons were on 70-74 bikes.
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It's Super Course, but Super Coarse may be more appropriate based on the build quality of some of the Gitanes I've seen.

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I have never seen a TdF with honeycomb dropouts.

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In my experience, the Peugeots are finished better, but the Gitanes ride better. The resale value of the Peugeots is definitely better just because of the name. I've never seen a Reynolds 531 frame that is finished worse than my Gitane TdF, but that has no effect on the way it rides.

I agree with bibliobob about the Gitane's extremely limited fork tire clearance, but I've seen exceptions. They apparently used more than one fork on them. Some have a more gradual curve than others.

I love the graphics on my PX10. I hate the ugly, cheap looking foil stickers on my Gitane.

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Old 07-12-12, 05:39 PM
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dbakl doesn't like the way either rides, but he also likes the way a NR RD shifts, even with a Rally cage. We'll never see eye to eye.
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All of the above. I've been waiting for this thread. Not sure why. They both have their appeal, and seem awfully similar to me, but the Peugeot commands more respect for some reason. Does this thread need pics?
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I'm curious how this comes out.

With five people chiming in, you have 3 votes, one for Gitane, two for Peugot.

You also have one sad stolen bike reminiscence, one vacillation, and one big correction sweep up of everyone's earlier input. So, you got those things going for you.

I didn't vote, cause I've never road/owned either bike, and I'm not sure whether to vote on the question or rarity, or the one on desirableness, or the value one.

I do have a question though, how does the addition of Campy dropouts make C&V bike "better"? I understand the appeal of the "legendary-ness" of Campy everything. But were their dropouts better in some respects to other dropouts?
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No,

It just allowed for the addition of better components than the Simplex Delrin beauties.
But there's a work-around for that


I vote the Gitane for scarcity, but the Peugeot for higher value.

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Old 07-12-12, 06:14 PM
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I didn't vote for either one. I was just trying to point out what I like/dislike about each.

That's not the only work around, but I like yours much better.

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All equipped with the Simplex, Stronglight, MAFAC gear I put them in this order. I threw in a couple other Frenchies even though they weren't in the original inquiry.
LeJeune
Jeunet
Gitane
Peugeot

My favorite part of the Gitane ornamentation is the seat tube decal. Listed is every race that a Gitane took the top spot on the podium. With Jacque Anquitel leading Team Gitane its a long list!
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Not to jump your thread Joe but, speaking of nice Gitanes, I hope someone here snags this one. A real beauty. I was going to bid but, alas...if it were 2-3 cm larger.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3#ht_500wt_761

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Hello guys! Any guess about why my Gitane TdF haves campagnolo dropouts, and for what I think was build with a strongrace headset and a sugino BB? I think these parts came with the bike since I only own it for 3 years!
Thanks guys!
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By the way! Mine is just like this one! Even Color! Why they didn't hole the frame for the bottle cages?
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Hello guys! Any guess about why my Gitane TdF haves campagnolo dropouts, and for what I think was build with a strongrace headset and a sugino BB? I think these parts came with the bike since I only own it for 3 years!
Thanks guys!
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The European models were not always the same as the models destined for the US Shores. But even outside of that, Gitane was famous for using whatever was on hand. So some TdFs ended up with Campy drops, and the components could be all over the place. Gitane started using a lot more Japanese components late in the early 70's bike boom, and my '72 or '73 Interclub (bought new by me) came with a Japanese crank. When I bought mine, the TdFs (at Mel Pinto in DC) on display had Huret Jubilee derailleurs. I've not seen that configuration in a catalog.

I am curious though, what is a strongrace headset? I've seen Stronglight and Lightrace (sp?), but never strongrace.
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Originally Posted by Janotaking View Post
By the way! Mine is just like this one! Even Color! Why they didn't hole the frame for the bottle cages?
Bottle cage braze-ons came later. I'm not aware of too many manufacturers using these in the early 70's.
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Sorry my bad! Its a LightRace! Is it better then Stronglight?
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Sorry my bad! Its a LightRace! Is it better then Stronglight?
Lightrace headsets were generally on cheaper models than were certain Stronglights, but I wouldn't say that the Stronglights are necessarily better.
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FWIW, my Super Corsa (TDF frameset w/Campy dropouts) is the nicest riding of all the bikes in the garage. If I were restricted to one road bike that would be it.

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Thank you guys! I like my bike, it rides great! I really like this headset too, it looks nice and its not bad, just needs a little big of grease, im starting to feel the bearings if I turn it with the wheel in the air!
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In 1972 our family bike shop was selling Gitane, Peugeot, Motobecane and Vista. My 1972 Gitane TDF was green and the paint was terrible, runs and thin spots, the foil stickers were crude and crooked, and with wrinkles. In part, this ended-up as my bike because it was a little too ugly to try to sell on the floor. We had one top of the line Gitane. Was it a "le Champion"? It was orange and it was pretty cool, all Campy. But it sat there forever as it also had horrible paint-work. - Other than the iffy rear DR and the constant flats with the sew-ups, my TDF was a great riding bike. But the black and red Motobecane Grand Record I got the following summer was a better overall bike for my needs. - We sold only a few PX10 models and if I remember correctly, all were white/black versions. By far, the Motobecane bikes were the top seller, they had very nice fit and finish. And a wide selection of models.
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