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Who is about 5'9", 32" inseam and rides 54 c-c/56 c-t X 54 frame

Old 07-27-12, 07:12 AM
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Who is about 5'9", 32" inseam and rides 54 c-c/56 c-t X 54 frame

Who is about 5'9", 32" inseam and rides 54 c-c/56 c-t X 54 frame

Both a seller and I goofed. I'll spare the story except to saying I was expecting a marginally different frame. My goof is that I did not reflect on numbers that did not add up.

So I am just canvasing about to see what people my size are riding in case I am putting myself on too small a frame. I am uncomfortable on my 54 Trek, but this has a longer head tube. Different geometry.

I'm 5'9" (175.6 cm), 32" (81 cm) inseam, sternal notch to floor about 148 cm or 58 inches.

The seller is allowing a refund if I want it, but it is a very nice Gazelle AB Champion Mondial in original paint and decals. 531c throughout. No dings,no rust and it appears straight.

What you think?
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I'm not a C&V person, but I'm about a half inch longer than you and my 54 fits fine. I use a 120mm stem.
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I'm about that size and I prefer 56cm frames. I do ride a Ciocc in that size I put a longer stem on it. I like how it rides,
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I use a 120mm stem.
How much rise on yer quill off the headset do you estimate — a lot? Are you riding in drops? How do the drops feel?
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That pretty much describes me. I ride anywhere from 53-56. 54 is my favorite. That is a pretty frame.
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I do ride a Ciocc in that size I put a longer stem on it. I like how it rides,
So you mean "stem" ... not the quill, is that right.

I my avatar that me on the 54 Trek. I had a 600 quill stem of maybe 100, with Nitto Randonneur bars. Getting into the drops was torture. So I got a very short reach Technomic stem. It works out, but the rise in it looks silly.

The Gazelles are supposed to ride nice too, which is why I am dithering.
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I had a 120mm stem on mine and I felt to stretched out , I switched to a 100mm stem and it feels fine. My 56. Cm feels more upright, my 54 I'm lower and stretched out more. It just depends on how you want to ride. You could always put a stem on it that will set the handlebars higher. That's basically the main thing I notice. I use a cinelli stem so it sets a little low.
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I want to avoid this: the tall rise in the stem.



What is encouraging is that the head tube on the Gazelle is much longer. It may be better geometry for my fit.
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I don't think you would have to go near that high. Mine is close to the limit line and I would like to go another 1/4". And cinelli stems are pretty short.
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Originally Posted by Lenton58 View Post
What is encouraging is that the head tube on the Gazelle is much longer. It may be better geometry for my fit.
I am pretty close to your measures, just a bit longer in the torso. The frame might just fit, but do not let the big head tube fool you. Short reach brake clearances and a shorter top tube all make that head tube bigger with all else being equal. As this appears a bit post 70's Gazelle, check the seat tube angle. For a 55 cm frame for example, a one half degree change in the seat tube angle moved the top tube about 5 mm fore or aft.

How far do you ride your saddle nose behind the bottom bracket? (this is approx., but many ride the same or similar saddles - on the new ones this has to be measured with the knee in relation to the pedal axle at the 3 o'clock position)

For me this bike might require a 115 to 125 mm stem depending on the seat tube angle.
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How much rise on yer quill off the headset do you estimate — a lot? Are you riding in drops? How do the drops feel?
1) 5mm spacer on the threadless, the stem is flipped but please don't hold that against me
2) Mostly on the hoods
3) The drops feel pretty good except going steeply uphill and just a bit twitchy.
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The frame might just fit, ....
Yeah, the "might" part has me wondering. But WTH, I don't need to put parts into it more than a stem. All the bits are coming off the Trek. I guess the worst thing that can happen is that I have to sell off two frames.

The saddle setback on the Trek above looks pretty long. But I've never measured it. I just went by feel and where my knee was at 3:00 o-clock. I think there is a 100 Technomic in the parts bin. I cold start with that I guess.

The angles look to be 73, but I could be 1/2 a degree out plus or minus. But it was a racing frame and 73 was pretty standard — early — mid 80's right?

For a 55 cm frame for example, a one half degree change in the seat tube angle moved the top tube about 5 mm fore or aft.
A sobering factoid.
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I don't think you would have to go near that high.
That's encouraging. If I keep the frame, and if I have to repeat the Trek arrangement, I'd just as soon go to a flat bar.

I have a Cinelli on a 56 Vitus. I can get in the drops and on a good day I can ride a couple of Kms that way. Mine is at the limit, and I might want a 1/2 to one more inch. At the limit and yet it looks mashed.
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Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
That pretty much describes me. I ride anywhere from 53-56. 54 is my favorite. That is a pretty frame.
Same here - I ride 52-56 and my Spectrum is a 58 which means no rapid dismounts. My Gitane TdF 54cm is my favorite. I could shorten the stem on it for a little more comfort - but it works.
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I'm 5'8" with a 30" inseam and ride a 54. I think if I replaced it I'd want to move to a 56 as it feels a bit small to me.
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I'm 5'8" with a 30" inseam and ride a 54. I think if I replaced it I'd want to move to a 56 as it feels a bit small to me.
1+ I am 5' 7 3/4" with a 29 inseam (you know how hard it is to find a pair jeans???) and I like to ride a 54 and I have a couple of 56s. So I can see how you might
be a little reluctant to ride a 54.
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What interests me about that Trek, is that:
a.) your bars and saddle are even, whereas a lot of folks enjoy a bit of a drop between the saddle and bars (like 2-5cm)
b.) Given how high the seat and bars are off the frame, I'd expect a very long stem. The height indicates you are too big for the frame, yet the short stem indicates that you are too small for it.

I have to ask. Do you have short arms? When you buy long sleeve shirts, do you find they bunch up at the wrists?
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My Trek 620 is a 57.... my Jamis Aurora is a 55. I'm 5'9" and 32 inseam.

The Trek standover is a little high.... but the bike feels so good I'll deal with it. The Jamis is perfect.
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I'm 5'9" with 33.5" inseam and I have 3 different road bikes: 1) 54 c-t with 54.5(?) top tube - this frameset is currently without components but last time I had it built up I needed 3cm of stem spacers on the threadless fork 2) 55 c-c (~56.5 c-t) with 56 top tube - this is my sweet spot size - quill stem is all the way down but the fit is very comfortable 3) 58 c-t with 56 top tube - this is my commuting/touring bike with a slightly more upright position.
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I'm about 5'8" with a 30" pant inseam. I have a 54 x 55, 55 x 55, and 56 x 55. The 55 x 55 is probably the best fit, but I enjoy them all. I suspect you'll be able to make it work, but odds are it's not your ideal size. It is a lovely frame...
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I want to avoid this: the tall rise in the stem.



What is encouraging is that the head tube on the Gazelle is much longer. It may be better geometry for my fit.
My 2 cents on this, if you're going for this kind of setup with the seat/bars level the 54 is going to be awkward and I think 55 or maybe 56 would be better. You need more reach for the more relaxed fit. If you want it more sporty with some saddle/bar drop, the 54 is about ideal; in fact for a race bike you might want a 53 even.
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As a previous post suggested, the Trek's set up indicates the frame's too small based on seatpost extension, but the Technomic stem is a short one, you'd expect it to be 100-120mm long.
I'm about 5'10" 30" inseam, and ride anything from 54cm c-t to 58cm c-c seat tube. 55cm is my supposed ideal. But my 57cm frame is the most comfortable.

I surmise you are the opposite of me, longer legs, shorter torso. (which makes you harder to fit)
If the Gazelle measures 56x54, I think you're fine. And she is a beauty!
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Well, it is the next day. Last night, while the rest of the family was sleeping in the heat, I was in the bike garage with a tape and bubble protractor. And I got an embarrassing shock.

The Trek 560 was my first build, and my first road machine for many years. I have always been puzzled about what was going on with the bike. I love the way it rides — but .... I had always assumed it was 54 c-c. It isn't! It's 54 c-t. 52 c-c!

Then I measured the Simplon and the Vitus. It turns out that the Gazelle and Simplon are very similar. The angles are the same at — I think it was 74 degrees. And both are 54 c-c and 56 c-t. I measured the saddle setback on the Trek as roughly 5 cm. (These daysI have a different saddle than the one in the pic.)

Now, the Simplon fits quite nicely if I put up a bit of rise in a 120 stem, which is in the ball park of repechage's recommendation. The Simplon is clearly my favourite for a number of reasons, even as it could be bigger:



As I say, this is an embarrassing admission. It surely explains haaseg's bafflement — and mine as well. And no, I don't have a problem with shirt sleeves as long as I buy at American shops here, otherwise Japanese sleeves are too short. The short stem was a way to get my head up so I could see — the seat post being jacked up so far. I was only saying to someone the other day, "I started riding sports bikes when I was ten, but I think that I still have a lot to learn about fit."

So the corollary is, the Gazelle should be just fine, especially for what it will be used for — shorter, fast daily rides for some rigorous exercise. My as yet unbuilt Woodrup is 57 c-c. It should make a better bike for longer, more upright rides.

Thanks to all of you for the help. Your comments and reassurances have been excellent. I hope the thread will be of use to some others in the future.
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