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Old 08-02-12, 05:26 PM
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1960's Cinelli Speciale Corsa Pista?

Hi everyone,

I recently bought this bicycle from a friend, and was hoping to know more about it. I know these bikes are difficult to date, but I was hoping somebody here could give me a ballpark idea of the year. Here pictures of the way I found it:















I've just started to remove all parts from the frame for cleaning. I will take pictures of the important bits and upload them later.

Thanks in advance!
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Buuump. Wow, that is awesome. And it matches the wall

Are there any frame stampings anywhere? I guess it'll be easier to tell once you finish stripping the parts. Close ups of frame details would be nice when you get a chance - I am curious
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Wow.
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Wow.
While not super accurate, the hubs will have a date indicator on the inside of the lock nuts.
Handsome bike.
I am not sure its a Cinelli though.
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Amazingly original. Will take some cleaning to be sure. Is there nothing visible on the downtube panel if you look closely in the right light? That looks like a strada headset, is it campagnolo, is there text on it? Seems unlikely it would be a replacement with everything else seeming so original. I would guess that if that is a record headset with text the bike is from the late 1960s.
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Campagnolo cranks had date codes on the back during the 70's and 80's but I would guess yours predates that. Possibly there are date codes on the hub locknuts or something like that. I am not the expert on these things but I am pretty sure if you post good closeup photos of the Campy components there are people here who will be able to narrow the date down. Is the crank 151 bcd? (measure the distance between two chain ring bolts if you're not sure).

Lovely bike. I like it dirty. But I'd clean it too.
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The bottom bracket shell is stamped CF on the bottom.

And here are close up pics of the frame:





















I also noticed that the left crank appears to be pre-67, it is 151 bcd and looks noticeably thinner from the the front (though fatter from the side, if that makes any sense).
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The headset was a campy record with text. And I will have a look at the locknut date codes tonight. I don't see anything on the downtube panel. It seems to have been painted over blue. I don't think the blue and red stripes on the seat tube are original either. Or could they be?
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Can you post pics of the headset parts? Do you think it was original?

I can't find a reference in my dusky brain as to why I think this but I believe the record strada headset with text was introduced around 1968.
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I'll try to upload them later tonight. Anything I should be looking for?
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What a find. Classic bike.
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Originally Posted by AGuinness View Post
I'll try to upload them later tonight. Anything I should be looking for?
a rounded lower side to he crown race as opposed to the flat bevel, a <C> logo in the text of the outer lower cup. More prominent machine marks of the six sided wrench flats on the upper cup. Smaller than usual text on the top of the top nut with dashes between the text. These are all characteristics of the earliest version of the record headset with text. If it is not this version you can be pretty confident the headset was installed well after the birth of the frame. If it is this version it would point to a late 1960s build date, at least for building it up, perhaps it sat around for some years before construction. Odd that is would have this headset in anycase and not the shorter stack pista headset.
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Nice bike, but I am also not sure if it's a Cinelli, or a tribute bike. The lugs and the bottom bracket look off, but i am no expert in early Cinelli's. What is the seatpost diameter, and does the seatpost fit just right ?
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Windsor Professional? Perhaps?
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Windsor Professional? Perhaps?
In mexico? You're not seeing any remnants of orange paint anywhere are you?
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Windsor bikes, Cinelli "clones", were manufactured in Mexico.
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Those Campy components look very similar in age to my Pogliaghi track bike components. I think my bike is early to mid 70's which would be my guess in age of your bike. Can't tell if it's a Cinelli though.
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In mexico? You're not seeing any remnants of orange paint anywhere are you?
That would be cool! but it's a pretty sweet bike even if it didn't set the hour record.
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I'm not a big expert but I love the bike. What catches my eye is it has the look and feel of very nice real vintage track bike a bike that likely actualy pounded some wood back in the 60's or early 70's. As opposed to 90 percent of messanger or hipster fixed gears billed as track bikes 60's to present that have only been riden to coffee shops or bars.
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Speechless wow.
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The cranks appear 60's in section to me. Dating the lock nuts I bet will point to somewhere in the 60's. The pedals have the small text and are not con dente, so middle 60's easily too. Too bad the dust caps are awol it appears, they could help a wee bit.

What is the diameter of the seat post?

The big pista fork blades with reinforcements throw me, the stay end treatment also does not look Cinelli, and the rear axle slots do not appear horizontal.
Not sure about the seat stay bridge either.

I do not know when Windsor started to build the Prosessional, they did exploit the sponsorship of Eddy's hour record attempt, so by 1972 they were making a "professional" bicycle.
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wow, looks nice!
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Cinelli, not Windsor.

That is a "GF" on the BB shell (partially polished away before plating) which is the typical George Fisher sand cast shell that Cinelli built the early bikes with.

Beautiful bike, I have seen a similar one somewhere before but I can't remember where.
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That thing needs a lot of love.... but oh woww..
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Wow. Looks like it hasn't been ridden since the 60's. Pretty amazing time capsule.
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