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Old 08-04-12, 05:27 PM
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Starting Over: Super Competition, Rebuilt

This is my first time re-doing a build. During the past year I've gained sufficient knowledge and experience working on bikes that I felt I wanted to, and could justify, completely re-building my Super Competition. Here it is as it was before being temporarily retired in anticipation of this project:



For its second round of service, I would like it to have more versatile gearing. I'm thinking 28T large cog, and at least a compact in front. A TA or stronglight touring crank would also be great; I think I'll stay away from 144bcd cranks for this one. Wider tires, front and rear bags, no fenders.

I like this frame a lot. Right amount of bruises, simple construction, nothing too fancy but a wonderful ride.

Here's a sneak peek of what's to come:





Super Record RD awaits Ti bolts from DD:












More pictures as I get the frame cleaned up and ready & continue to gather parts. Hope to have this on the road in time to get in some good fall riding
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Old 08-04-12, 05:45 PM
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Looks like a fun build!

Keep the pics coming and certainly take some of the surrounding area on your rides.

Ever make it out to Hoboken?
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You know, I have an Atom (Italian/Brit threaded) 5-speed FW 14-17-20-23-26 that was one of two spares given to me when I bought the Masi. If you're interested, you can have that for this build.

This is going to make for a pretty bike - oh, and I wouldn't change out the brakes - those are SunTour Superbes, correct? They look fantastic and would go right along with that build.

That SR RD - wow! Pulley wheels appear NOS; what a nice score.

And I might be wrong, but aren't those dropout adjuster screws in backwards? I am pretty sure the adjuster knob should be at the back of the DO, but then again I'm used to dealing with Campy-DO-equipped bikes. Maybe Simplex, being French, did it the other way 'round

I'm looking forward to watching this transformation take place.

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Old 08-04-12, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
You know, I have an Atom (Italian/Brit threaded) 5-speed FW 14-17-20-23-26 that was one of two spares given to me when I bought the Masi. If you're interested, you can have that for this build.
Thanks, Jeff, that's very kind. My plan is to go with a new 6 or 7-sp HG freewheel... I've been very happy with how those shift.

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This is going to make for a pretty bike - oh, and I wouldn't change out the brakes - those are SunTour Superbes, correct? They look fantastic and would go right along with that build.

That SR RD - wow! Pulley wheels appear NOS; what a nice score.

And I might be wrong, but aren't those dropout adjuster screws in backwards? I am pretty sure the adjuster knob should be at the back of the DO, but then again I'm used to dealing with Campy-DO-equipped bikes. Maybe Simplex, being French, did it the other way 'round
Those brakes are Superbes, but I sold that group when I disassembled the bike. They worked fined, but I am more than likely going to go with dual pivots. An aesthetic compromise (in this particular case), but all my bikes are equal opportunity riders

The RD is remarkably clean all around. When I took out the pivot bolts to send to you, there was nothing but fresh clean campy grease. to mapleleafs-13.

As for the DO screws, they are very much backwards, albeit French! Will be put in correctly after I clean the frame.
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Old 08-04-12, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Looks like a fun build!

Keep the pics coming and certainly take some of the surrounding area on your rides.

Ever make it out to Hoboken?
I haven't yet. Have you done that ride?

Many pics forthcoming as I progress!
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Cool, looking forward to this thread. I definitely covet that bike! Love the colors and just the right size. Those SR bits will look great on it.
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...I am more than likely going to go with dual pivots. An aesthetic compromise (in this particular case), but all my bikes are equal opportunity riders
I totally get that; this past week I began a riding rotation of three of my vintage rigs for a change. In fact, I haven't been experienced the Davidson and her Ergo for over two weeks.

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Looking good so far WW. Love that color and it will look even better with those SR derailleurs on it.
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Very nice bike love the color. You may have a bit of a problem with the shifter bosses on the down tube and the Record shifters you're going to use.
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Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
Very nice bike love the color. You may have a bit of a problem with the shifter bosses on the down tube and the Record shifters you're going to use.
You may be right. I had Huret shifters on there before, which I guess had no trouble with the Simplex style shifter boss. However I tried threading in the bolt from the Campy shifters and it goes in, so I'm confused. I'm going to test attaching the whole shifter assembly, I suppose.

This frame is from the beginning of Peugeot's switch to standard stuff for their high end bikes. English BB, French steerer.

Update: Looks like the Record shifters will work fine. There's just a little too much paint on the square part of the bosses, which I'll fix when I clean the frame. Of course, there could very well be other issues at work here that I am not seeing - feel free, MA or others, to point them out.

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The notched outer nylon washer may not go on. They need 2 flats to be able to work correctly.
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The notched outer nylon washer may not go on. They need 2 flats to be able to work correctly.
Ah, sure do. Forgive my ignorance, but what is the purpose of the notches? I understand how they would work on a regular campy boss, but being that Simplex shifter washers wouldn't have them... are they necessary?
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They keep tension on the lever.
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The adjusters on the rear dropouts are in the correct way. It actually works better with the brass nut on the insde, against the axle, so the nut does not end up unscrewing and falling off the bike....unlike the Campy version..... Despite what most hink, the French can get it right most of the time too!

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Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
You may have a bit of a problem with the shifter bosses on the down tube and the Record shifters you're going to use.
Interesting. What is the particular difference in design of the bosses that might preclude using the Campy levers?

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EDIT: Doh, read further next time, DD; the answers are already there
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They have no Flats machined at the ends. If you have a bare frame set some where, look and compare.
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Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
The adjusters on the rear dropouts are in the correct way. It actually works better with the brass nut on the insde, against the axle, so the nut does not end up unscrewing and falling off the bike....unlike the Campy version..... Despite what most hink, the French can get it right most of the time too!

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Ha, good to know I don't have to flip them over. When I've put them into other frames, the campy way, I've thought it would make more sense to have access to the screw head from the outside. The nut doesn't always stay on...

So this is the way it is with French bikes, huh? I didn't know that.
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Like This. Disregard the little triangle on top.

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They have no Flats machined at the ends. If you have a bare frame set some where, look and compare.
I know I have seen record shifters mounted on simplex bosses before. I just don't know what they did with the outer nylon washer. As far as I can tell that is the only thing hindering the combination, but I gather that these notches are integral to the 'friction' part of friction shifting... the washer staying in place as the lever turns around it?
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Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
They have no Flats machined at the ends. If you have a bare frame set some where, look and compare.
Yup - I couldn't tell from the side-on photo that these posts don't have the flats machined on.

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I know I have seen record shifters mounted on simplex bosses before. I just don't know what they did with the outer nylon washer. As far as I can tell that is the only thing hindering the combination, but I gather that these notches are integral to the 'friction' part of friction shifting... the washer staying in place as the lever turns around it?
Correct. If the outer nylon washer is not held in place, it will not hold friction tension and allow the assembly to loosen every time the lever is turned.
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Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
Correct. If the outer nylon washer is not held in place, it will not hold friction tension and allow the assembly to loosen every time the lever is turned.
Makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

Short of finding Simplex retrofrictions that aren't made to mount to campy bosses, bar-ends are looking really tempting. Already have DT cable stops a-plenty, and no drew-ing would be necessary, just a tiny bit of filing to get the square part of the bosses down to precisely 12mm.
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