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Old 08-07-12, 09:38 AM
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Mystery frame

I got this frame at a garage sale and am having a lot of trouble identifying it. Ishiwata 019 tubing, fine quality lugs and shimano drop outs, but that is it. Please Help. Dave
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Old 08-07-12, 10:17 AM
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very stylish, especially that unique fork crown: does it actually put the fork blades ahead of the steerer's centerline (ala a San Rensho fork)?
Clearly not run-of-the-mill, might be a custom build (maybe Japanese or American)...where are you (and it) located?
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Old 08-07-12, 10:32 AM
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I,m going to say it's from Japan. I also notice Shimano dropouts and the chain stay bridge is very close to the BB. I think the frame is all chrome so get paint stripper on it and get all that old paint off.
Tubing could be I****awa?

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Old 08-07-12, 10:35 AM
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I have no clue but it looks like a nice one...
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Old 08-07-12, 10:54 AM
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I was told that it was a 3rensho but there are too many differences.
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Originally Posted by revart
I was told that it was a 3rensho but there are too many differences.
correct, it is not. But still might be somebody inspired by Yoshi Konno, maybe even a Keirin frame builder (tho it's clearly a road frame). I asked your location cause there seem to be a fair sampling of odd Japanese frames that show up in Australia. More frequently there than in the US.
A frame made form Ishiwata 019 (assuming the decals don't lie) is no slouch...but this looks like a white frame that's been repainted green.
Still, the fork steerer might have stampings that indicate it's Ishiwata and a typical 019 seat post would be 27.0 (probably), is that what this one takes?
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I am in Oregon in the US. and it does take a 27mm seatpost.
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Originally Posted by Chuckk
Maybe Cherubim? Send them a set of photos - they're very helpful.

The Echelons they built seem to have a "C" for a serial number.
Some definite similarities there...I'd say look into contacting them and see what they say.
Their main builder was Yoshi Konno's nephew, IIRC.
EDIT: I stand corrected (see below)...but I do have some recollection that there WAS a nephew who also builds frames.
EDIT 2: Yes, he is Shin-Ichi Konno, son of Hitoshi, nephew of Yoshi and current head/chief builder of Cherubim Cycles.

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Originally Posted by jbchybridrider
I,m going to say it's from Japan. I also notice Shimano dropouts and the chain stay bridge is very close to the BB. I think the frame is all chrome so get paint stripper on it and get all that old paint off.
Tubing could be I****awa?
I got some stripper and it is ALL CHROME!!! and shiny with no rust! I email Cherubim cycles twice but no response so they won't confirm that is one of theirs.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
Some definite similarities there...I'd say look into contacting them and see what they say.
Their main builder was Yoshi Konno's nephew, IIRC.
EDIT: I stand corrected (see below)...but I do have some recollection that there WAS a nephew who also builds frames.
EDIT 2: Yes, he is Shin-Ichi Konno, son of Hitoshi, nephew of Yoshi and current head/chief builder of Cherubim Cycles.
All that is on the frame as for a serial # is the letter D
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Echelon, made by Cherubim.
Look no further.
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I finally found a photo that identifies the frame. It is an Echelon Spectra. Thanks for all the help. Dave

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very nice coincidence that you and i found one around the same time! keep us updated with your build. btw, what is stamped under your BB?
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