Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Would this cleats allow me to use my look type shoes with older pedals?

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Would this cleats allow me to use my look type shoes with older pedals?

Old 08-07-12, 04:12 PM
  #1  
elguicho 
Restore, ride, repeat...
Thread Starter
 
elguicho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Would this cleats allow me to use my look type shoes with older pedals?

I've been getting ready (more or less), for the the Dairyland Dare this weekend riding my more modern bikes with look delta pedals. The event is approaching and now I'm thinking I would like to use my 1960 paramount.

The paramount has Campy SL pedals with clips and straps but I do not have adequate shoes to wear with them. I was thinking about putting my clipless pedals on the paramount but it just wouldn't look right. Looking for a solution I found this cleats on ebay and I wondered if they would work on an older pair of shoes I already have so as to not have to spend money on vintage type shoes.

It might be too late to get them on time but maybe for future rides? Does anyone have any experience with these cleats?

elguicho is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 04:40 PM
  #2  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 9,256

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2924 Post(s)
Liked 875 Times in 509 Posts
They don't look as deep as the cleats I remember from the olden days, and the slot somehow looks like it's in the wrong place

Check these out: https://www.yellowjersey.org/tocleat.html

DiabloScott is online now  
Old 08-07-12, 04:47 PM
  #3  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,756
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 550 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 117 Times in 69 Posts
Dunno. Do your old shoes take 3 bolt?
rootboy is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 04:49 PM
  #4  
elguicho 
Restore, ride, repeat...
Thread Starter
 
elguicho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
Dunno. Do your old shoes take 3 bolt?
yes, that's what it tried to say by "look style".
elguicho is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 05:25 PM
  #5  
IthaDan 
Senior Member
 
IthaDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 4,915

Bikes: Click on the #YOLO

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
They don't look as deep as the cleats I remember from the olden days, and the slot somehow looks like it's in the wrong place

Check these out: https://www.yellowjersey.org/tocleat.html

Those cleats would work on those shoes, but they'd use the rear center threads to attach the third bolt, not the front one like a look does. The slot would still be in the same place. Didn't old time cleats have the 4 bolts in a diamond pattern?

This threaded hole (in green)-

__________________

Shimano : Click :: Campy : Snap :: SRAM : Bang
IthaDan is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 05:27 PM
  #6  
cyclotoine
Senior Member
 
cyclotoine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Yukon, Canada
Posts: 8,772
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 108 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times in 9 Posts
yes.
__________________
1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear
cyclotoine is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 05:43 PM
  #7  
Pars 
Senior Member
 
Pars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Aurora, IL
Posts: 2,465

Bikes: '73 Raleigh RRA, 1986 Trek 500 commuter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
Liked 14 Times in 9 Posts
Modern shoes, particularly those with velcro fasteners, etc. may not play nice with toe clips/straps. With no cleats on the shoes, how are they in the pedals and getting in/out?

You could just toss the Look pedals on the Paramount... I know, modern on vintage, but it might be a quick and easy solution.
Pars is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 05:56 PM
  #8  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 9,256

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2924 Post(s)
Liked 875 Times in 509 Posts
Originally Posted by IthaDan View Post
Didn't old time cleats have the 4 bolts in a diamond pattern?
Well, mine had nails.
DiabloScott is online now  
Old 08-07-12, 05:57 PM
  #9  
teetime
Banned.
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 177
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
They would most likely work. Having said that, I would wear modern shoes/pedals for that ride.

I always swap out modern pedals for vintage when I ride any distance. Keeps the Campy SL pedals nice, and is soooo much better on modern pedals.
teetime is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 06:07 PM
  #10  
IthaDan 
Senior Member
 
IthaDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 4,915

Bikes: Click on the #YOLO

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Well, mine had nails.
__________________

Shimano : Click :: Campy : Snap :: SRAM : Bang
IthaDan is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 06:36 PM
  #11  
elguicho 
Restore, ride, repeat...
Thread Starter
 
elguicho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by teetime View Post
They would most likely work. Having said that, I would wear modern shoes/pedals for that ride.

I always swap out modern pedals for vintage when I ride any distance. Keeps the Campy SL pedals nice, and is soooo much better on modern pedals.
That's what I'm thinking. The bike looks very silly but once I'm riding up in WI who cares...
elguicho is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 06:37 PM
  #12  
elguicho 
Restore, ride, repeat...
Thread Starter
 
elguicho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the tip, I might get a set of these and some beater campy pedals for the future.



Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
They don't look as deep as the cleats I remember from the olden days, and the slot somehow looks like it's in the wrong place

Check these out: https://www.yellowjersey.org/tocleat.html
elguicho is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 07:01 PM
  #13  
AZORCH
Senior Member
 
AZORCH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Liberty, Missouri
Posts: 3,119

Bikes: 1946 Hobbs of Barbican | 1966 Paramount P-13 | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 127 Post(s)
Liked 45 Times in 24 Posts
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Well, mine had nails.
+1... matter of fact, mine still do!
AZORCH is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 08:13 PM
  #14  
scotjonscot
Senior Member
 
scotjonscot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: middle north (Mpls)
Posts: 216

Bikes: some

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm pretty sure when we're all huffing and puffing up those hills no one's gonna care about the Looks. I say run 'em.
scotjonscot is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 08:20 PM
  #15  
Otis
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,756
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
I've weighed in on this before, and as mentioned in a previous post, modern shoes do not work well at all with clips & straps. They are just too thick and the bottom of the shoes are curved so the toe will never sit right on the front of the pedal. Even with the cleat engaged correctly your foot still wants to rock side to side. But even if you got around that, just getting into the peds is a real pain. No way to just 'flip" in. It's a bend down hold the clip open type of deal, no good.

I even had a local shoe repair guy cut the velcro straps off a pair of Sidi's and punch grommets in for laces, and they are still way too thick to use.

I've just taken to wearing vintage shoes when I ride my old bikes.
__________________
Flickr stuff:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54616231@N04/
Otis is offline  
Old 08-07-12, 09:48 PM
  #16  
catchabadone
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Vittoria makes a line of vintage shoes with modern bolt patterns. So you can look vintage but ride modern pedals for comfort.
catchabadone is offline  
Old 08-08-12, 02:12 PM
  #17  
smontanaro 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 4,545

Bikes: many

Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 908 Post(s)
Liked 407 Times in 264 Posts
ElGuicho, I have a pair of the Yellow Jersey blue cleats you can have. I tried them briefly, but wasn't impressed. I'll stick with my non-vintage KeOs. Better for my knees.

Skip
smontanaro is offline  
Old 08-08-12, 03:49 PM
  #18  
elguicho 
Restore, ride, repeat...
Thread Starter
 
elguicho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by IthaDan View Post
Those cleats would work on those shoes, but they'd use the rear center threads to attach the third bolt, not the front one like a look does. The slot would still be in the same place. Didn't old time cleats have the 4 bolts in a diamond pattern?

This threaded hole (in green)-

Thanks for the info, it turns out my diadora shoes don't have that rear center bolt so I'm glad I didn't buy the cleats I was wondering about.
elguicho is offline  
Old 08-08-12, 03:50 PM
  #19  
elguicho 
Restore, ride, repeat...
Thread Starter
 
elguicho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by smontanaro View Post
ElGuicho, I have a pair of the Yellow Jersey blue cleats you can have. I tried them briefly, but wasn't impressed. I'll stick with my non-vintage KeOs. Better for my knees.

Skip
Thanks a lot Skip, I will gladly take them.
elguicho is offline  
Old 08-08-12, 07:20 PM
  #20  
MKahrl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 1,124

Bikes: Rivendell A.Homer Hilsen, Paramount P13, (4) Falcon bicycles, Mondia Special, Rodriguez Tandem

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Liked 14 Times in 9 Posts
My experience matches Otis. I've tried many times but modern bicycle shoe soles just don't fit the pedal right. The old shoes were like like leather slippers that flipped and slid into the toe clips without a conscious thought.
MKahrl is offline  
Old 08-09-12, 05:07 AM
  #21  
smontanaro 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 4,545

Bikes: many

Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 908 Post(s)
Liked 407 Times in 264 Posts
I will admit I didn't give them a huge tryout, but I stuck a pair of Yellow Jersey cleats on my Lake shoes, replacing my KeO cleats, then tossed my Campy pedals on my Masi. They worked okay, but as MKahrl implied, they didn't just slide right into the toe clips. I think it makes some sense if you consider how bumpy the ramp in front of the slot is with the rather abrupt edge and the screw heads ever-so-slightly proud of the ramp. The slots on the cleats weren't large enough for the slightly wider cages of a pair of Ofmegas I have as well.

In the end I decided it was better for my knees (one knee surgery already, and the occasional hint from my other knee that it needs some attention) to use a set of pedals with some float anyway, so odd-looking or not, I'm going to stick with clipless pedals.
smontanaro is offline  
Old 08-09-12, 07:23 AM
  #22  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 39,974

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 486 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6901 Post(s)
Liked 1,539 Times in 972 Posts
Mine had nails, too. DiabloScott, you're older than you appear in your picture.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 08-09-12, 10:36 AM
  #23  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 9,256

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2924 Post(s)
Liked 875 Times in 509 Posts
Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Mine had nails, too. DiabloScott, you're older than you appear in your picture.
I thought I might have a photo of those old shoes with the nail on cleats - they were Le Coq Sportif I bought in 1984... my cycling birth. Here's the oldest photo (me in red jersey) I could find and I'm wearing my Brancale Kangaroo Hide shoes (endorsed by Greg Lemond!). This is 1988 so those Le Coq shoes only lasted about three years. I'm pretty sure the Brancales had a two bolt system... I remember wearing them in the shower once so the leather would shrink to the shape of my feet... read that in an old cycling magazine.

Note little red buttons on my Binda Extras... also real leather chamois! And 13-18 straight block freewheel. Jeez, I'm getting all sentimental now.



Last edited by DiabloScott; 08-09-12 at 10:39 AM.
DiabloScott is online now  
Old 08-09-12, 01:17 PM
  #24  
JohnDThompson 
Old fart
 
JohnDThompson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Appleton WI
Posts: 22,699

Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.

Mentioned: 133 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2638 Post(s)
Liked 1,301 Times in 813 Posts
Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Mine had nails, too. DiabloScott, you're older than you appear in your picture.
Mine still do:



One problem with using the slotted conversion cleats that may be encountered is that modern shoes are much taller than vintage shoes and the toe box might not fit into the toe clip without some judicious re-shaping of the toe clip.
JohnDThompson is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
rhouse
Classic & Vintage
9
04-14-16 03:30 PM
jweinman12
Southern California
1
08-09-12 11:43 PM
Oostal
Road Cycling
4
04-22-12 11:50 AM
tadhgnealon
Road Cycling
2
04-12-12 11:02 AM
Badgerjohn
Mountain Biking
10
09-29-11 05:01 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.