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The Ins and Outs of small wheeled junior roadbikes

Old 07-31-16, 06:38 PM
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Definately interested.

My son will outgrow his 18" and not be ready for his bros 24".
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals View Post
I'm parting with my son's no-longer-ridden 22" wheeled Gitane vintage junior racer if anyone is looking for a size smaller than a 24". Has new tires. Posted in the sales forum but totally negotiable for BF members.
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Old 08-22-16, 01:15 PM
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I have a Viner that uses a 20" Vittoria tubular. According to Vittoria, they measure 21mm in width (same as their 22, 24, and 26 inch tubular tires):

https://www.vittoria.com/tire/juniores/

I'd like to get 20" clincher wheels for this bike, and most modern rim manufacturers offer them in ISO 406 or 451 only. Is there any way to determine if an ISO 406 wheelset will be compatible?

TIA.
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Gitane 1982 Gazelle TS 2300 Junior Road Bike

Gitane made very small junior road bikes that had downsized lugged steel frames like adult bikes. I saw a bike like this at a bike show in the 90's then came across this one at an auction. I won the bid and restored the bike. I might be interested in selling the bike as it's a wall hanger for me. Contact me at kdresch@aol.com

The hardest part was sourcing the 450A tires. I searched and searched and finally found them in the United Kingdom. I wanted the 390-28 narrow tires, the wider versions are more common.

The bike has all the original parts and is a single speed. Not many were preserved as I'm sure most kids abused them and they were probably disposed of. Enjoy the images, including the '82 British catalog scans that feature the bike. This is the only documentation I have found on the bike so far...

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Old 08-28-16, 07:35 PM
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Any interest in a pair of 451 x 13 mm rims? I got a pair, and some 20 x 1 1/8" tires with plans to build a nicer set of wheels for my daughter's mini Gitane. She grew out of it faster than I could get around to it. PM me if you're interested.
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Old 08-29-16, 10:16 AM
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I have a Gitane Junior Racer for sale. My son outgrew it before I got around to it.
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Originally Posted by velofinds View Post
I have a Viner that uses a 20" Vittoria tubular. According to Vittoria, they measure 21mm in width (same as their 22, 24, and 26 inch tubular tires):

https://www.vittoria.com/tire/juniores/

I'd like to get 20" clincher wheels for this bike, and most modern rim manufacturers offer them in ISO 406 or 451 only. Is there any way to determine if an ISO 406 wheelset will be compatible?

TIA.
Answering my own question, I actually have a 550c (470mm, 22") wheel, not 20". It's this rim:

https://www.velosaloon.com/collectio...-the-1980s-nos

Does anyone know if there are 550c clincher rims? I'm not seeing any
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Old 11-06-16, 10:45 AM
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Mercier Special Poulidor

Originally Posted by puchfinnland View Post
I officially start this thread.

MTB=mountain bike

JRB = junior roadbike (at least on this page only-lets see how it goes)

members with junior roadbikes
Andycapp- 22" OLMO OLIVER and a Schwinn
1 Lugnut -1 Lugnut's 20" build
Humanreisberg-Benotto
Puchfinnland- Hans Lutz, Masini Migani, F.Moser
Citoyen du Monde- ??
Jirvine-Gitane


I will slowly start building this one page.

If you seriously want a junior roadbike I will help you and put you on the list of
members wanting to buy a junior roadbike
delcrossv wants one with 18"-20"
The Thin Man in portland is looking for one




some juniors currently for sale around the world



Links to some serious junior discussions of the past are going to be listed here.

making junior levers
making junior bars
junior wheels and wheel options tubulars and clinchers
junior seats
8 year old Nelli 100km/60 mile ride


kind regards
and my junior find of the day is this!

Starnord Eddy Merckx ? Tenspeed Hero

Centucion Lemans and Mercier Special Poulidor
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My F. Mozer junior is not used anymore.....
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Old 11-06-16, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by puchfinnland View Post
My F. Mozer junior is not used anymore.....
Give to me, I pay the shipping hehehe
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Old 11-27-16, 02:39 PM
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Just picked this up tonight. It's going to be my daughters Christmas present. I don't think it will fit her yet, that gives me time to replace some of those steel parts, this weighs a ton.


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Old 11-27-16, 09:52 PM
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Just picked this up tonight. It's going to be my daughters Christmas present. I don't think it will fit her yet, that gives me time to replace some of those steel parts, this weighs a ton.
Nice! Replacing the cottered crankset and steel wheels on my daughter's '81 Fuji shaved a LOT of weight off that bike, so based on my experience, sounds like a great plan! Replacement wheelsets may be difficult to find depending on the original wheel size and frame/fork clearance, though.
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Old 12-01-16, 09:39 AM
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Hey all, I saw these rims and thought this would be a good place to share:
Ambrosio Kids Rims / Pairs | Planet X
Ambrosio 22" or 24" racing tubulars. $18.27 / pair.




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Here's a fun bike from today's Craigslist. 45cm, 24" wheel Coppi, with a half-step-plus-granny crankset and a deer head RD. This looks like it has about the same standover as the smallest Terry bikes.

1970's Fausto Coppi Junior Racer Kids Road Bicycle RARE

Super cool little vintage Fausto Coppi "junior racer" road racing bicycle. Tiny little 24" wheels, it's the smallest Italian-made Fausto Coppi I've ever seen. Very few of these were imported to the states and very few remain. The frame size is 45-cm center to center, and the standover height is 26.5". Has a 6-speed rear drive train with triple TA cranks, with down tube shifters. The TA Specialites triple cranks are size 165, which are incredibly rare. Campagnolo pump and pump holder. Modolo brakes, Suntour shifters. Has the original 24" Nisi tubular tires/rims which still hold air and spin nicely. Original Avocet saddle. The bike shifts through all the gears just fine, and the brakes work fine. Nicely lugged double butted frame, no rust. I've never seen another one of these, it really needs to be hung up in a bike shop for display, it's that cool! $375 firm, thanks.
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I've asked this before... has anyone ever actually seen a Soma Bart or Lisa? It seems like the only photos I can find online are Soma's own studio or blog photos. The prices now listed for the Bart frame are clearance level and the build kit and the Lisa seems to be gone. I sort of wanted one or some of these for my kids (if it turns out any of them want a road bike) but it seems likely they'll have disappeared from the market before the kids are big enough. I guess if you want one, now is the last chance

$245 https://www.google.com/search?q=soma...+bart&tbm=shop
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Old 03-17-17, 01:47 PM
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Awesome!!!
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Old 03-28-17, 12:32 PM
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Todays features from Guerciotti

Poor quality image but enough to read the build. Childs racer from the later 70's.

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Here's a beauty Junior racer and high level build. (courtesy of VeloClassics - click link for more pics)

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More red! A Wilier Triestina Junior w/ 4 speed, 20 in. tubulars

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Not a mini velo.

A mini velo typically has a 480 mm frame = 48 cm with 451 or 406 wheels.

They're true adult bikes while junior road bikes are kids' bikes.
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^ Say's who? Last I recall, when the kids started 'T' ball they called it 'baseball'.

Argentina to Finland, much depends where one is from but think we all understand... bambino, tyke, child, junior.

Of course we're not getting all fancy C&V here with such categorizing Greg Lemond's - 'Junior' National and World Championship titles, on required spec gearing where he could still beat 'ADULT' racers or is it safe for a three year old to ride a 12 inch two wheeler with drop bars. cheers
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@NormanF is right -- mini velos are something else entirely. That's not to say they aren't cool, either - they are - but a mini velo isn't a children's road bike, and vice versa.





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^Norm is the one who brought up 'mini velo' and whats it got to do with my prior post?

BTW: Here's also a mini 'bike'.
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Just wanted to add this in here. I haven't yet figured out what it is though. Anyone have any ideas?
It was on CL last year and I was going to get it but missed it...keep thinking about it though.

Its a 41cm frame with 20" wheels. Custom paint, clearly.
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Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
^Norm is the one who brought up 'mini velo' and whats it got to do with my prior post?

BTW: Here's also a mini 'bike'.
Heh. I'd buy a kid a mini velo since the bike will stay with him or her for a lifetime. Just gradually raise the seatpost and stem as the child grows up until they reach their adult size. Plus is it can be shared by all members of the family.
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